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Post by Soul Alchemist on Feb 6, 2009 9:26:11 GMT -5
um..... A) God DID reproduce because this isn't the first time this plan has taken place B) he didn't reproduce us but we are his CREATIONS and he was kind enough to even want us to call ourselves his children. C) that 'spoiler' thing was VERY inappropriate, bobby
The Plan of Happiness: We are 'inventions' of god. as any great inventor, he would love all of his creations. but, there was a flaw in our design: there were too many different personalities to see which ones were the best creations. so god came up with this plan: We go to earth, go through trials specifically designed for our intelligences, personalities, looks, likes, dislikes, etc. and we are seen as by how we face these challenges to be good/worthy/the best inventions. we are also judged by how we treat the other creations, how much we care for ourselves, and how much we want to create other things. In the end of our lives or the world, everything we did is summed up, and judged by the god-head to determine if we are worthy to become the next generation of gods/creators (Celestial kingdom) or if we are to be sentenced to secondary and tertiary paradises (Tellestial and Terrestrial kingdoms) or if we just deserve the waste bin (outer darkness/hell/what ever you want to call it). I said up above this part of the post that god DID reproduce once upon a time. I believe he did because he was one of us ONCE UPON A TIME, and that the 'creations' to enter into the celestial kingdom could be the 5th generation or even the 3634207348523rd generation of gods/creators. in the celestial kingdom, we learn to become gods and the plan starts over again....and again....and again....and while the future generations go off to do there own plans, we live in eternal light, sunshine, warmth, LOVE with our spouse,our creations, and the rest of the universe.
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Post by The Dark Master on Feb 6, 2009 13:31:18 GMT -5
why does every human ask questions? We can only imagine, or give an answer to what we have already seen. try imagining a new colour, it doesn't come. We cannot imagine a new colour, because we have not seen it. We cannot know how the universe was created, because we have not SEEN it. there is know way of knowing whether we can SCIENTFICALLY know their is a God. Only human belief. Remember the Big Bang is only a THEORY, it is just a prediction. sometime we shall never find answers.
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Post by General Veers on Feb 6, 2009 16:28:16 GMT -5
Naturally, I myself am not omniscient (unfortunately), so keep that in mind as you read this post. Also keep in mind Voltaire's beliefs in religious tolerance, please. um..... A) God DID reproduce because this isn't the first time this plan has taken place B) he didn't reproduce us but we are his CREATIONS and he was kind enough to even want us to call ourselves his children. A. I've never heard of anything like that before applied to a branch of Christianity. I have only learned of Roman Catholocism, Greek Orthodoxy, Lutheranism, Calvinism, a few other Gentile religions, and Judaism, and of course whatever branch I belong to within Protestantism, but then again... B. I'll give you that... The Plan of Happiness: We are 'inventions' of god. as any great inventor, he would love all of his creations. but, there was a flaw in our design: there were too many different personalities to see which ones were the best creations. so god came up with this plan: We go to earth, go through trials specifically designed for our intelligences, personalities, looks, likes, dislikes, etc. and we are seen as by how we face these challenges to be good/worthy/the best inventions. we are also judged by how we treat the other creations, how much we care for ourselves, and how much we want to create other things. I believe that God knows everything, including ALL of EVERYONE'S personalities, motives, goals, etc. In the end of our lives or the world, everything we did is summed up, and judged by the god-head to determine if we are worthy to become the next generation of gods/creators (Celestial kingdom) or if we are to be sentenced to secondary and tertiary paradises (Tellestial and Terrestrial kingdoms) or if we just deserve the waste bin (outer darkness/hell/what ever you want to call it). With my belief that there is only one God and his Son, we are judged by Jesus Christ. If I am correct, that is what the Bible said about judgement. The secondary/tertiary paradises thing sounds like one of of two things: Catholics believe in Purgatory, and several Asian religions believe in reincarnation until perfect harmony is achieved with their creator. I said up above this part of the post that god DID reproduce once upon a time. I believe he did because he was one of us ONCE UPON A TIME, and that the 'creations' to enter into the celestial kingdom could be the 5th generation or even the 3634207348523rd generation of gods/creators. in the celestial kingdom, we learn to become gods and the plan starts over again....and again....and again....and while the future generations go off to do there own plans, we live in eternal light, sunshine, warmth, LOVE with our spouse,our creations, and the rest of the universe. I would question why the first and true God decided to allow for the infinite chain of generations of creators, but I still have much to learn from my own religion...
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Post by Matter Theorist on Feb 6, 2009 17:47:16 GMT -5
He always was and always will On the flipside, the universe always was and always will. Growing and shrinking in a never ending circle.
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Post by Qwerty333 on Feb 6, 2009 18:31:13 GMT -5
Why?
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Post by Sandmaster on Feb 6, 2009 18:36:35 GMT -5
I personally am Christian. There's a scientific side to the debate too. You can't take a void, blow it up somehow, and have sextillions (that is a large number, please don't comment on it's prefix) of light years of matter spread throughout the endless void. Please explain to me how the big bang could have happened. Your question is common. The matter was always there. Every take a black hole and blow it up? Think of it like that, just WAY denser. The slightest movement will send the entire mass into an unstoppable expansion due to sudden heat from the friction. It's also not the only matter out there. Statistically, there is a likely possibility that there is matter beyond the 'shell' of the universe. Also, there is not 'crunch.' If I took a rock in space and blew it up, it will not come back together. The particles fly off at extremely fast speeds and don't see each other again for a long time.
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Post by Soul Alchemist on Feb 6, 2009 20:29:00 GMT -5
GV, the "There shall be no gods before me" was referring to the use of idols, not the idea that this plan has been going for who knows how many times before now. now, granted, that little part about the uncountable times the plan has taken place was my own thinking. but the 'Plan of Happiness' is something taught to primary children and up in our church. it's just kind of a basic fact. the plan is almost identical to the heaven/hell thing, just with a few more additions.
Outer Darkness - think fire and brimstone, but with out the actual fire or brimstone. I think of it as eternal nothingness. want to know what it's like in the inside of a black hole? WHILE YOU CAN STILL FEEL AND CAN'T DIE? probably not, so you don't want to go there... this place is reserved for people who pretty much acted like Satan himself, while still on earth. (IE-knowing that there is a god, but doing everything in their power to go against him)
Telestial Kingdom - the lowest of the kingdoms of heaven, it's said here that liars and adulturists, and the rest of them who did pretty bad stuff, go here.
Terrestrial Kingdom - the middle kingdom, people who had NO chance of knowing of god's existence, and had no chance of meeting anyone who would tell them, go here. people who did less urgent sins go here too.
--- the people in the Tele. and Tere. kingdoms will feel like that is the best place in all of the universe and won't know of anything sweeter.....except that's the end of their learning....they don't progress anymore than that....kinda sad, really---
The Celestial Kingdom - divided into 3 different degrees of glory:
degree 1 - pure people and people who would have followed god if they HAD known go here, they will have the glory of god and be with him forever more. however, learning to become like god does not happen here.
degree 2 - a lot like the first, but still better. even purer people will go here. some learning happens, but not much. unable to progress to a true godly state.
Degree 3 (the highest) - Reserved for people who 1. believed in God the eternal father, his son Jesus Christ, and in the Holy ghost, 2. were baptized for the remission of sins, 3.were GIVEN the GIFT of the holy ghost, 4. Married to someone for all time, and 5. Endured to the end of their lives. these people will be given the full glory and knowledge of god. these PAIRS (husband and wife) will be the next generation of the plan.
ugh...I hate long posts...but I do need to get all this info out at one time, so... also, bobby, I was kinda offended cuz it had that matter-of-fact-ish tone to it.
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Post by General Veers on Feb 6, 2009 20:45:15 GMT -5
Darn it all, I will end up a bachelor, so I can't go there. Why does one have to be married in order to go to the highest degree of Heaven? Does the foremost first generation God have a wife? Which degree of Heaven is he in?
I guess that according to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, I can only go as high as the second degree of Paradise. Of course, I still have yet to meet people...
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Post by Soul Alchemist on Feb 6, 2009 20:55:53 GMT -5
well, see...you're forgetting another important thing: the second coming of Christ, and the ENTIRE millinium of peace afterwards. everyone will be resurrected, and given 1000 years before final judgment to get those 5 things done. otherwise, the celestial kingdom would be more a celestial community. (but not THE community, thank GOODNESS)
the reason for getting married is because Love is the greatest 'feeling'/source of power in the entire universe. love of god, love of your creations, and love of...just love...for your wife...(or husband if ur female)
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Post by Sandmaster on Feb 6, 2009 21:55:11 GMT -5
Love is a chemical and hormonal effect that is actually a preemptive action in case of sexual relations.
Truth, whether you like it or not.
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Post by Soul Alchemist on Feb 6, 2009 22:44:35 GMT -5
GRRR....I JUST TOOK 40 MIN. WRITING UP A LONG THING TO PROVE YOU WRONG, SANDMASTER....BUT I FELT BAD AND DELETED IT ALL JUST TO SAY THIS: YOU STILL HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT 'LOVE' IS, AND YOU WON'T EVER KNOW FOR SURE WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS A GOD, UNTIL YOU LET GO OF THIS 'ASSURETY' THAT YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU'VE ALWAYS STATED AT SOME POINT THAT THESE ARE YOUR THOUGHTS NOT THINGS YOU KNOW. AND I KNOW THAT I'M BEING SELF-RIGHTEOUS HERE, BUT IF IT'LL GET THROUGH YOUR THICK AND POMPOUS SKULL, SO BE IT. I DO KNOW WHAT LOVE IS. AND I DO KNOW THAT THERE IS A LOVING GOD. I HAVE SPOKEN WITH HIM. I HAVE SEEN HIM IN MY DREAMS. I HAVE GONE TO HIS TEMPLES AND WITNESSED HIM CHANGE LIVES. I HAVE DONE HIS WORK, AND TRIED MY HARDEST UNTIL I LITERALLY SWEAT AND FALL. I HAVE USED HIS POWER TO HEAL, TO BLESS, TO PUT A RELATIONSHIP BACK TOGETHER, AND TO ORDAIN OTHERS INTO USING THIS POWER AS WELL. DON'T YOU TELL ME THERE IS NO GOD. YOU KNOW NOTHING. sigh....... ....now you can take a step back, look through a different perspective, and at least TRY to see things our way BEFORE coming up with a conclusion. OR you can continue to be pompous, and self-righteous. I WANT that to be a flame so that if you ban me, everyone will know the true 'SandMaster' or whoever you are. and if any OTHER mod bans me, then others will also know the corruption that has spread through here. I don't want a warning, I want a ban or a change of thought.and if none of this changes your way of thinking in ANY way, I truly fear for your sanity.
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Post by Edit on Feb 6, 2009 23:19:42 GMT -5
Did you just say that you don't want a warning you want a ban or a change of thought?
Does that mean that if everyone doesn't change their opinions on your religion, than you want to be banned? Isn't that sort of silly?
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Post by General Veers on Feb 6, 2009 23:58:30 GMT -5
No, he wants people to stop being single-minded. I agree with that. One can maintain his/her own belief while being tolerant and open to other beliefs and faiths. Every once in a while it will do us good to look through new glasses and try on new shoes. That's mostly (if not entirely) what this thread is for...
Love is a chemical and hormonal effect that is actually a preemptive action in case of sexual relations. Truth, whether you like it or not. That would be romantic love. There are other types of love, such as familiar love (i.e. love of family and platonic friends).
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Post by Soul Alchemist on Feb 7, 2009 9:27:15 GMT -5
yes, that's exactly what i'm saying. a bit off topic: WHO CHANGED THE SMILEYS?!?!?
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Post by Sandmaster on Feb 7, 2009 12:23:38 GMT -5
Well, SB. I have tried to do that time and again and it still failed for me. Obviously you don't understand love as well, and your subconscious is in complete denial.
I am not single minded. I looked for a sign of God's existence for years, and I still haven't found one.
Obviously, we're both hypocrites.
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Post by Soul Alchemist on Feb 7, 2009 13:57:55 GMT -5
*facepalm*...except I've done the work of god in countless ways. I HAVE done healings and the like. I don't know what you did exactly to see if there was a god, but if it didn't work then you may be doing something wrong....what have you done?
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Post by GrandEnder on Feb 7, 2009 14:31:19 GMT -5
God must exist, along with all other forms of things. Space/Nothingness extends indefinetly. Since all events have a certain probability, all things would happen, all at the same time, over an infinite area of space.
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Post by General Veers on Feb 7, 2009 14:54:53 GMT -5
Limxinfinityx*(1/x)=1, therefore you are right.
The limit of [x] times [its reciprocal] as [x approaches infinity] is one.
The limit of [the number of possibilities] times [the probability of an event that can only appear once within a set] as [the number of possibilities approaches infinity] is one.
Math just proved the existence of God! Of course, it also proves that a group of non-human primates locked in a room with a computer will write the complete works of William Shakespeare without hitting [Del] when given an infinite timeframe to do so...
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Post by GrandEnder on Feb 7, 2009 15:19:58 GMT -5
Math cna rpove anything if given enough thought.
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Post by Sandmaster on Feb 7, 2009 15:57:05 GMT -5
Lim xinfinityx*(1/x)=1, therefore you are right. The limit of [x] times [its reciprocal] as [x approaches infinity] is one. The limit of [the number of possibilities] times [the probability of an event that can only appear once within a set] as [the number of possibilities approaches infinity] is one. Math just proved the existence of God! Of course, it also proves that a group of non-human primates locked in a room with a computer will write the complete works of William Shakespeare without hitting [Del] when given an infinite timeframe to do so... Math proves a FINITE God. Its quite different from theist approach. That's why I don't acknowledge the equations when arguing, because they are misunderstood.
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