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Post by PickleMan on May 2, 2009 19:18:08 GMT -5
Having the jar and using it is fine, cause that is what you use to play it...but decompiling IS illegal.
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Post by subzeroten on May 2, 2009 19:42:46 GMT -5
you mean decompiling = opening it?
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Post by PickleMan on May 2, 2009 19:44:30 GMT -5
opening it is bad...all you'll see are machine-readable class files and images. Decompiling means turning those class files into human readable Java.
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Post by subzeroten on May 2, 2009 20:34:28 GMT -5
Heck, I dont even know how to do that! Good for me.
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Post by rubiksmaster123 on May 3, 2009 15:45:24 GMT -5
i'm not trying to brag or something, but i just went back and beat seaside 1 at level 15.
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Post by disabled on May 3, 2009 22:34:13 GMT -5
Oh boy, I'm getting tired of telling: but decompiling the code is not illegal in many countries. It might be in yours, but it is not in others. So quit talking gold here. You might not like others decompiling it, but thats not our problem. Noone is copying your code, and you didn't make us sign a contract to not decompile the code, so its allowed! Decompiling and distributing the decompiled code is of course illegal, but decompiling it for yourself to have a look at it is perfectly ok, as far as I know even in the USA.
I do believe that you DID agree to rules and codes...in Japanese when making a Dan-Ball account.
Also, if it is illegal to decompile in Japan (I don't know, but I would assume so), and this is a Japanese game made under Japanese law, then this game would be illegal to decompile no matter where you, the user, are from.
As for private viewing, I won't say anything...
-General Veers -Natasha Bedingfield
The whole level structure has been in the codebase since 3.9, but all levels only had 3 stages with the same enemies and only the background changed for submarine and mist levels. The new stones and cards are in the code since - I even don't remember. I could look it up though if someone was really interested.
Now that I looked at the wiki, the enemies that were in 3.9 had a different head than any of the ones now in the game.
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Post by disabled on May 3, 2009 23:32:46 GMT -5
Well thanks for answering and not editing my post, great you know how a forum is meant to be used. But anyways. It is possible to play the game without registering. And I always download the jar without registering to my account, because its easier that way, so I'm not bound to whatever I agreed upon signing up. To be honest, I don't even know what I signed up to, because there are no "agreement for use" in a language I understand. That doesn't relieve me from complying with them though, because If I sign them they apply to me. But as i said, they don't apply, as I don't have to register to get the code.
And the only law you always have to follow are the local laws. I don't give a rats ass about the laws in jp, as I'm not living there. Right now I don't care about the laws of my home country, as I'm visiting the USA. If I go to the netherlands, youre allowed to smoke pot, if you go to germany you can drink with 16 and speed on some highways, if you go to america you can make your drivers licence with 16 and am not allowed to drink till youre 21 (correct me if I'm wrong there...), if youre in a country that does allow decompiling youre allowed to do so. If jp has a law, that forbids decompiling on the whole planet, then I'm doing something illegal in jp and if I ever go there, they could pick me up, but both are highly unlikely as most countries only do laws for their country.
I always wonder you guys crying about "decompiling being illegal" do you even have a slight understanding of laws? Or do you just don't want it to happen and think if you whine enough people will trust you?
*edit* Just another comparison: You heard of the Piratebay trial case? Remember where it is fought: Sweden! Hollywood is in the USA, but the case is fought in sweden, because the owners live there. Local law applies - always!
*another edit* I said decompiling was legal in the USA, under the new DMCA it is in fact illegal, if I use it to circumvent copy protections, which is of course not the case here.
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Post by General Veers on May 4, 2009 16:21:02 GMT -5
Well thanks for answering and not editing my post, great you know how a forum is meant to be used. But anyways... The reason that I modified your post is so that you wouldn't be responding to me (technically yourself).
That comment of yours (quoted above) gets a 5% warning.
And if the Pirateboy case was fought in Sweden because that is where the owner lives, then cases concerning Dan-Ball would be fought in Japan because that is where Ha55ii legally resides. As you have said, local laws always apply...
If indeed you never signed up for a Dan-Ball account EVER, then you might just get around this. I wouldn't expect that (your ability to get around agreement) to last indefinitely...
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Post by rubiksmaster123 on May 4, 2009 18:12:02 GMT -5
wasn't that a double post?
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Post by subzeroten on May 4, 2009 18:52:10 GMT -5
No.
So let me get this straight, right here, USA, decompiling, legal?
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Post by disabled on May 5, 2009 2:36:30 GMT -5
The pirate bay case is fought in sweden because the ones who supposedly committed a crime live in sweden. And if you don't want to get an answer, I wonder why you answered in the first time. And I don't understand how I would be answering to myself, but perhaps I'm just very stupid - whatever. *edit* Of course now you made me answer to myself, as you didn't make a post. I "double posted", because in other forums its sometimes forbidden to edit a mod edited post.
And decompiling in the USA - as far as I know the DMCA put decompiling for the purpose to circumvent copy protections under crime. That somehow implies that decompiling for every other reason is at least in a grey zone. I don't think there has ever been a trial about that and there are no laws forbidding decompiling there, but you never know how a judge might rule. But then I'm no american and don't care that much about laws that don't apply to me.
And if you want to sue me in jp, go ahead. If you provide me with a scan of a "complaint against unknown", I will give you my name and address, so you can try to sue me here. I wonder how fast the judge will laugh at you for not knowing how jurisdiction works.
Just a quick note: In my country, License agreements like Microsoft for puts in their software are considered useless and do not need to be followed by the buyers...
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Post by guest on May 5, 2009 9:47:38 GMT -5
uh oh, you're turning this topic about SR 4.0 into a debate of legal issues... stop with this shit and keep the discussion on SR 4.0
and this all started because an idiot thought yelling 'decompiling is illegal' will stop me or anyone else from doing so. that's like all the warnings before a movie make note of the legal issues that you break when you copy the movie and so on, which doesn't work that well right?
anyway, so General Veers, did you 'test' the new levels? from what i read in disabled's edited post it seems like you did the same as that youtube-guy...
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Post by superpickle on May 5, 2009 9:49:52 GMT -5
Disabled: If a game is made in the USA, USA laws apply no matter what country you live in. Take Travian for example. (Made in Germany.) By German laws, you cannot post any conversation between two parties without consent from both parties. Does that mean that because I live in the USA that the laws don't apply to me and I can post any conversation I want? No. I still have to abide by the rules of the country where the game is made. Just a quick note: In my country, License agreements like Microsoft for puts in their software are considered useless and do not need to be followed by the buyers... Just a quick note: The speed limit is considered useless and does not need to be followed by the divers. ZOMG NOw u CAN’T G3T A SPEeEDING tIKET! 111!!1!11
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Post by PickleMan on May 5, 2009 10:04:58 GMT -5
Guest. That person was me, so that is considered flaming and disrespect for staff...
Also, you CAN go to jail for decompiling, it is considered STEALING.
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Post by disabled on May 5, 2009 11:31:01 GMT -5
But movies are made in the USA, why ist the piratebay trial fought in sweden? Right, because the guys who supposedly broke the law live there If we had a proper contract and I couldn't get the software without signing it, it would be another case, as in the contract the place where legal battles are fought is probably named. But as the software is on the net for everyone to download, the owner has lost its rights to put restrictions on it after I downloaded it without signing something. Of course still local laws like copyright etc. apply, so I can't copy it, but everything that I usually can do with software I buy, I can do with this software. The movie industry has no contract with the piratebay, so they have to fight in the land of the defendants.
*edit* "Also, you CAN go to jail for decompiling, it is considered STEALING." You can, but not for decompiling software freely on the net and not releasing any source code. Decompiling software for yourself is in no way stealing unless you steal the code for your own software. In some places youre in a grey zone, if you decompile look at the code, write your own software based on it and release it. If you look at the code and don't release software, its ok. If you look at the code and document what happens and someone else codes the software its also ok (called clean room reverse engineering).
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Post by I wuv M4( Satar Jaèoèdoæ) on May 5, 2009 14:01:39 GMT -5
GO BACK ON TOPIC OR THIS TOPIC MAY BE LOCKED!
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Post by rubiksmaster123 on May 5, 2009 17:07:41 GMT -5
ok. seaside 1 is good. wonder if they'll make a second.
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Post by subzeroten on May 5, 2009 17:29:09 GMT -5
You still didn't clearly answer my question yet... -_-;
Anyways, I haven't beaten seaside 1 yet, but I bet it's a cakewalk.
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Post by rubiksmaster123 on May 7, 2009 14:48:42 GMT -5
it is. beat it at level 15 even without triple shot at all.
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Post by sigh on May 8, 2009 15:14:01 GMT -5
Although I want to brag how easy it was after my Gladiator died, and how I kept my guys from dying by just dragging the preist back and forth quickly while my snipers finished him off, someone needs to replace this thread with 4.1 now. *waits*
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