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Post by xShadowLordx on Oct 31, 2009 11:38:24 GMT -5
I've been talking with KuraiOorora about the whole BoL issue, and how the argument about it in the Warning Archive board is getting nowhere. KuraiOorora and I have decided that a vote shall be held among the staff to decide once and for all if BoL should be banned. Very straightfoward, just go ahead and vote right here.
Thank you.
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Post by The Dark Master on Oct 31, 2009 11:43:13 GMT -5
As I can't use the poll, I vote a simple no, but if he does do anything else the best thing is to ban him.
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Post by KuraiOorora on Oct 31, 2009 12:37:10 GMT -5
Considering in the elapsed time BoL has been given to improve, and has not done so, I vote yes.
And if QwertyuiopthePie or any other staff member would request a reason why, I'll state so now:
We've given BoL enough time for him to show he can act in a proper and rule-abiding manner, and he has not done so. Being of the fact he has not improved even with previous bans, it seems best to permanently excommunicate him from the forum.
What we need to do now is figure out exactly how we're going to keep him away, being as he has a dynamic IP address and has a rather large amount of time on his hands...
To those who disagree with my reason, I ask you this: What happens if potential and new members see such behavior as one on this site? Will not some of them take up such behavior themselves, regardless of rules being placed? They will see the rules as invalid, being as one who breaks them is not chastised for his misconduct.
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Post by jakebob on Oct 31, 2009 12:48:39 GMT -5
Considering in the elapsed time BoL has been given to improve, and has not done so, I vote yes. And if QwertyuiopthePie or any other staff member would request a reason why, I'll state so now: We've given BoL enough time for him to show he can act in a proper and rule-abiding manner, and he has not done so. Being of the fact he has not improved even with previous bans, it seems best to permanently excommunicate him from the forum. What we need to do now is figure out exactly how we're going to keep him away, being as he has a dynamic IP address and has a rather large amount of time on his hands... To those who disagree with my reason, I ask you this: What happens if potential and new members see such behavior as one on this site? Will not some of them take up such behavior themselves, regardless of rules being placed? They will see the rules as invalid, being as one who breaks them is not chastised for his misconduct. They'll also notice that people acting in such a way will have been warned/banned. I'm not going to vote as I don't know everything that BoL's done apart for the chat shenanigans and some of the flames on the forum.
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Post by Saza on Nov 1, 2009 7:46:05 GMT -5
Yeah, seeing as the poll doesn't work on Firefox, I vote yes. Basically what everyone here has said.
Plus he's been spamming me to join /i/.
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Post by V.I.R.O.S. on Nov 1, 2009 9:51:54 GMT -5
I vote no. I mean, he has only been doing minor breaches of the courtesy rules, and no amount of those except spamming should be punishable by perma-ban. Besides, do we really need to lose more members, over something as stupid as courtesy rules?
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Post by xShadowLordx on Nov 1, 2009 10:33:08 GMT -5
Since I haven't stated my vote yet, I vote yes.
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Post by KuraiOorora on Nov 1, 2009 12:55:38 GMT -5
Viros, would rather accept to the loss of one member, rather than having BoL influence other potential and new members to participate in disobeying the rules?
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Post by xShadowLordx on Nov 1, 2009 13:12:12 GMT -5
Exactly. It's not so much a trivial one-person-ban issue, it's more of a we're-in-charge-and-this-is-what-will-happen-to-you-if-you-break-the-rules issue.
BoL will serve as an example to others. If he is not banned, people will copy his ways and disregard the rules. If he is banned, they will see his figurative dead body and fall in line out of fear.
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Post by Qwerty on Nov 1, 2009 14:49:14 GMT -5
I vote no. Plain and simple.
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Post by xShadowLordx on Nov 1, 2009 14:51:13 GMT -5
That's 3 Yes's and 3 No's so far.
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Post by PickleMan on Nov 2, 2009 16:38:29 GMT -5
4 Yes 3 No
I vote yes. We can't be push-overs
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Post by General Veers on Nov 2, 2009 18:08:15 GMT -5
I have a question: does it have to be permanent, or will months or years suffice?
From my point of view, a month-long ban is considerably punitive, and a year-long ban alone was reserved for someone who impersonated TheListo. Only one person, to the extent of my knowledge, received a near-unanimous permanent ban: Molopoy. He received the permanent ban for plagiarization, denial of proven crime, disrespect to rule enforcers, and threats to the forum, although mostly for the first two felonies. The last one didn't really appear until after he was banned.
Will a one-month ban be good enough? What about several months? Another problem we should consider is enforcing our decision on someone who has a dynamic internet protocol. Letting a disobedient user have limited retribution and being unable to punish said disobedient user seem equally bad. This time, I recorded his email address for an email ban, just in case, but he could still do whatever as a dynamic guest...
We should consider alternatives to a permanent ban that are nearly as bad, and we should consider a plan for enforcing whatever decision we make. With those in mind, I vote "no" to a permanent ban and "yes" to something else...
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Post by KuraiOorora on Nov 2, 2009 19:13:57 GMT -5
Hmm...that is true...
Originally: Said user 'EltonEyes' was supposedly banned permanently. Yet, after about a year or so, he was unbanned. Now, he's a member that goes by the name: '.:V:.'. I believe what we should do is bypass this ban as a permanent one, and it could be a staff decision on if BoL should eventually be unbanned...That is, if we even remember to...
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Post by jakebob on Nov 2, 2009 19:19:42 GMT -5
Right, I'm gonna vote yes. Screw him. Screw him to the wall. His stupidity must be stemmed now, before it leaks into the servers and idiots us all!
And if he threatens the forum with DDOS attacks, 4chan idiocy or SQL injection crap, I say let him. He will be bluffing, based on his reactions to such stuff. I'd love to see him actually try and mess with anything here. Cause if he's telling the truth, we're fucked, but the site can be backed up, but if he's bluffing, we can laugh at him and tell everyone to point and laugh at him when he's on chat.
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Post by PickleMan on Nov 2, 2009 20:11:58 GMT -5
Actually, I agree with veers. Like in the US...the death penalty is rarely given. Even for murderers. "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, and the whole world would be blind and toothless." A quote from Gandhi, based on some text in a typical bible.
Forever is too long.
1 Month? 2?
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Post by General Veers on Nov 2, 2009 20:17:13 GMT -5
Alright, Jakebob, first of all, let me inform you that your reaction is...uncalled for. Do you really have to add a selection of sexually implicit vocabulary to get your point across?
Second of all, what calls for your change from an "uncertain abstention" to an "all-out condemnation"?
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Post by Qwerty on Nov 2, 2009 21:28:39 GMT -5
I do believe I am changing my vote to go along with Veers. I realize now that personal opinion was getting in the way of actual intelligent decisions.
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Post by xShadowLordx on Nov 3, 2009 0:27:51 GMT -5
I agree with KuraiOorora's last post; Ban him now, figure out when to unban him later.
Right now we just need to get rid of him. We shouldn't waste our time bickering about how long the ban should last, because we pretty much all agree that he should be banned for the time being.
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Post by -M4- on Nov 3, 2009 0:43:28 GMT -5
I also agree, he should be banned now and we can discuss this while he's banned. I personally think it should be two months, just because one month feels too short.
P.S. I can fires bancannon?
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