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Post by Soul Alchemist on Feb 8, 2009 11:03:12 GMT -5
that makes sense...but why COULDN'T it be god? I understand the frustration in the whole "god did it, just leave at that. don't question it" thing, but there's still room for god in that equation. why can't science and reasoning work with religion? (as long as the religion tries to find answers)
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Post by GrandEnder on Feb 8, 2009 12:21:34 GMT -5
I need reasoning on why anti-matter can't exist. Though 2 dimensional matter could also be thawall around god.
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Post by Sandmaster on Feb 8, 2009 12:29:50 GMT -5
Grandender: 2D matter can't workin a 3D universe, and we can't work in a 4D universe.
SB: i'd like to say I may have been misunderstood; when I say there is not God, I mean that there is no higher being interacting with us. A God could be completely disconnected from the workings of the universe as far as we know.
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Post by GrandEnder on Feb 8, 2009 12:56:08 GMT -5
You still arn't answering the question. Also, it can exist. Just we can't see it sideways. Another law about it is that it is not effected by gravity.
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Post by Soul Alchemist on Feb 8, 2009 19:42:25 GMT -5
ooook....well, if we can't see it, and it isn't affected by gravity, I wouldn't think it could be manipulated at all...so what's the point of bringing it up?
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Post by General Veers on Feb 8, 2009 20:10:12 GMT -5
As for two dimensional matter: Matter takes up space. If it takes up space, it has volume. Two-dimensional entities do not have volume, therefore they do not take up space. According to the contrapositive of the definition of matter (It is matter if and only if it takes up space; i.e. condition and converse are both true), if something does not take up space, it is not matter.
SB: i'd like to say I may have been misunderstood; when I say there is not God, I mean that there is no higher being interacting with us. A God could be completely disconnected from the workings of the universe as far as we know. Like the Deists believe, in which case God created the universe but follows a laissez-faire policy...
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Post by Qwerty333 on Feb 8, 2009 20:23:46 GMT -5
As for two dimensional matter: Matter takes up space. If it takes up space, it has volume. Two-dimensional entities do not have volume, therefore they do not take up space. According to the contrapositive of the definition of matter (It is matter if and only if it takes up space; i.e. condition and converse are both true), if something does not take up space, it is not matter.
SB: i'd like to say I may have been misunderstood; when I say there is not God, I mean that there is no higher being interacting with us. A God could be completely disconnected from the workings of the universe as far as we know. Like the Deists believe, in which case God created the universe but follows a laissez-faire policy... All I have to say is that if there IS a God, then i agree that he does not have connection with the universe. Proving that he s NOT all powerful. Proving that he doesn't exist.
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Post by GrandEnder on Feb 8, 2009 20:25:09 GMT -5
I still see no proof that anti-radiationa nd gravity can not exist.
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Post by Qwerty333 on Feb 8, 2009 20:33:05 GMT -5
I still see no proof that anti-radiation and gravity can not exist. Sorry... what?
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Post by wizard on Feb 8, 2009 21:48:29 GMT -5
i dont even know what damn religion you are, grandender! noone even asked that! ( i am longing to use a word but since im agnostic i cant)
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Post by GrandEnder on Feb 8, 2009 21:51:38 GMT -5
I'm talking about how can infinite god could fit into a finite space.
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Post by Soul Alchemist on Feb 8, 2009 21:53:49 GMT -5
um...I think we've agreed space is infinite. just the general existence of a god at all is still being debated (even though it really shouldn't)
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Post by Qwerty333 on Feb 8, 2009 22:00:55 GMT -5
um...I think we've agreed space is infinite. just the general existence of a god at all is still being debated (even though it really shouldn't) I agree. We shouldn't debate because in the back of our minds we all know that there can't be a God.
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Post by Soul Alchemist on Feb 8, 2009 22:27:19 GMT -5
*facepalm* I didn't mean that. I meant just the opposite. who are we to say what some more powerful being is and what he isn't?
and, bobby, if this is an effect from you having incredibly hard problems, I told you what you needed to do. and yet you keep stating there is no god because you think if there was, you wouldn't have these problems....
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Post by wizard on Feb 8, 2009 22:47:06 GMT -5
and heres another fact. 1. god knows everything that will happen in the future, past, or present. 2. you have the decision of right or wrong. if god knows what your going to do, how do you have a decision?
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Post by General Veers on Feb 8, 2009 22:51:16 GMT -5
That's why there is a Christian religion called Calvinism, which believes in predestination.
God knows already whether we are going to Heaven or Hell; however, since WE do not, we do good things and hope that God will tell us our destiny (Heaven or Hell). If He reveals to us that we are going to Heaven, we become members of the Elect; if not, then we are damned untouchables that the Elect will avoid. The Elect will avoid the damned as much as a Nazi would hate a Jew.
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Post by Qwerty333 on Feb 8, 2009 22:54:31 GMT -5
That's why there is a religion called Calvinism, which believes in predestination... Exactly...
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Post by SPIRITbot not logged in on Feb 9, 2009 8:53:01 GMT -5
it's because we're still intelligent beings that can change the outcome of the future.
this is why I don't like saying there's a "time stream" or whatever. because if there was, god would have control over it and he COULD see EVERYTHING we would do. and then you would be right, there would be no point. seeing as that's not the case, however, I think God just simply factors in EVERYTHING into a situation, and comes up with the odds of it happening. so the point is because we can change despite the odds (and many people have in the past. there's no denying that part)
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Post by wizard on Feb 9, 2009 9:40:15 GMT -5
he knows EVERYTHING that will happen. from taking a cookie, to murdering 200 people so you still go with no decision
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Post by wizard on Feb 9, 2009 9:43:34 GMT -5
im talking about fate. he says fate AND decisions come at the same time. fate means that any decision was made for you, like this post.if there was a christian god had me do it. which there isnt.
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