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Post by jakebob on Nov 3, 2009 8:13:49 GMT -5
Alright, Jakebob, first of all, let me inform you that your reaction is...uncalled for. Do you really have to add a selection of sexually implicit vocabulary to get your point across? Second of all, what calls for your change from an "uncertain abstention" to an "all-out condemnation"? Right, first off, I only said the F-word. Saying that I want him screwed to the wall doesn't imply anything sexual, I meant "screw him to the wall" in rather a more literal sense, as if to say "Do what he does and this is your punishment". Secondly, he's become indescribably dense and is now annoying on the scale where he has to be punished. I helped him get un-glitch banned, and about a day later he was logging on as a guest because his bladeofthelisto account had been glitch-banned again. On the forums he's been constantly getting at SZ just because he's in the same topic as BoL, and he thinks that he can do stuff to websites on grand scales that would normally require at least two expert software technicians to plan, and thousands of people to pull off successfully, even though he's said that he's 11 years old. Yesterday, he said he tried to do a DDOS attack on various immense websites, such as Google and 4chan, amongst others. From one computer, using one program. He failed quite miserably. It might not have been exactly that, but I remember him saying that, and then saying he had to go to school. He keeps thinking he can mess with the forums and the users on it, and it's getting to the point where if action isn't taken soon he'll end up convincing new members that the forum is an unsafe place to be because he keeps talking up his apparent "skillz" with the internet, and the newbies will leave. So I've decided to change my vote to a yes. And I agree that he shouldn't be perma-banned, but he should be banned for an indefinite length of time. At least 2 months.
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Post by Qwerty on Nov 3, 2009 9:58:37 GMT -5
Still, if we do ban him, it'll do practically nothing. He's just return with new email, new name, new IP.
Tried to DDoS Google? Good luck... I hope his botnet is over 500 strong if he wants to even try something like that, and I hope he likes jail food.
Anyway, you can go ahead and ban him for two months if you want. It seems fair. Except it won't do a thing to keep him away.
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Post by General Veers on Nov 3, 2009 11:37:54 GMT -5
Right, first off, I only said the F-word. Saying that I want him screwed to the wall doesn't imply anything sexual, I meant "screw him to the wall" in rather a more literal sense, as if to say "Do what he does and this is your punishment". Secondly, he's become indescribably dense and is now annoying on the scale where he has to be punished. I helped him get un-glitch banned, and about a day later he was logging on as a guest because his bladeofthelisto account had been glitch-banned again. On the forums he's been constantly getting at SZ just because he's in the same topic as BoL, and he thinks that he can do stuff to websites on grand scales that would normally require at least two expert software technicians to plan, and thousands of people to pull off successfully, even though he's said that he's 11 years old. Yesterday, he said he tried to do a DDOS attack on various immense websites, such as Google and 4chan, amongst others. From one computer, using one program. He failed quite miserably. It might not have been exactly that, but I remember him saying that, and then saying he had to go to school. He keeps thinking he can mess with the forums and the users on it, and it's getting to the point where if action isn't taken soon he'll end up convincing new members that the forum is an unsafe place to be because he keeps talking up his apparent "skillz" with the internet, and the newbies will leave. So I've decided to change my vote to a yes. And I agree that he shouldn't be perma-banned, but he should be banned for an indefinite length of time. At least 2 months. Well, if you meant that literally, I apologize for jumping to conclusions with the first point. I really should inquire before I chastise... ...and so you're saying that your newfound certainty in banning him is a result of his constant, likely deception and threats against the forum? Well, I'm glad that most of us decided to change from "an eternity" to something in the "months" range. The next question, as QwertyuiopThePie has reminded us, is if there is anything else we can do during BoL's ban period to ensure he faces retribution instead of "some new challenge"...
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Post by jakebob on Nov 3, 2009 13:40:24 GMT -5
Still, if we do ban him, it'll do practically nothing. He's just return with new email, new name, new IP. Tried to DDoS Google? Good luck... I hope his botnet is over 500 strong if he wants to even try something like that, and I hope he likes jail food. Anyway, you can go ahead and ban him for two months if you want. It seems fair. Except it won't do a thing to keep him away. Yes, he tried to "DDoS Google". I'm pretty sure it's just bull, though. If he returns under a different name, e-mail and IP address, and acts respectably, then fine. But if he does so and then gives away the fact that he is BoL, ban him for breaking the Banned rule(s), if there are any. Or if he acts like a pleb, then ban him. Isn't that the general rule here? Punish/ban users if they break the rules? We can't keep him away, but we can ban him until he gets the message. If he doesn't stop, report him to ProBoards.
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Post by PickleMan on Nov 3, 2009 16:35:59 GMT -5
May I have the honors?
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Post by xShadowLordx on Nov 3, 2009 18:31:59 GMT -5
I was hoping I could have the honors......
Anyway, do we all agree on an "Indefinite Ban"?
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Post by KuraiOorora on Nov 3, 2009 19:09:56 GMT -5
Maybe not indefinite, but a long... long one at that...
At this point our secondary option like said before could indeed be reporting him to ProBoards. I'm sure they'll have specifics on what to do in this case or even deal with the matter themselves... Although, It'd rather look more professional if we handled the matter on our own, yet be given information on how to specifically handle it...
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Post by General Veers on Nov 3, 2009 19:15:31 GMT -5
Well, I agree upon a ban with some kind of reasonable end, even if we can't think of one now, yes.
As for who gets to "do the honors," I really don't know how to resolve that unless everyone is alright with picking an integer between 0 and 100...
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Post by ~Memzak~ on Nov 4, 2009 0:53:23 GMT -5
I came a bit late here, but I say yes, to ban him... and no for permanently.... an indefinite ban if perfect...
oh and I'll pick 42 (for the integer between 1 - 100) (no fair that we can't have irrational numbers, I would have taken pie)
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Post by jakebob on Nov 4, 2009 6:03:01 GMT -5
I choose 70.
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Post by PickleMan on Nov 4, 2009 16:14:18 GMT -5
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Post by xShadowLordx on Nov 4, 2009 18:26:12 GMT -5
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Post by Qwerty on Nov 4, 2009 21:47:11 GMT -5
Pi.
We do not all agree on an indefinite ban. If you read the thread, you know that we were discussing a two-month ban. "Indefinite" is just another name for "permanent".
Whomever does get it may disable BoL's account and throw in the IP, Email, and Username bans for two months, and we must alert BoL to the fact that his punishment will be done if he simply stays away from the forums until such time.
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Post by General Veers on Nov 4, 2009 22:52:16 GMT -5
I'm under the assumption that the word they meant was "indeterminate" and not "indefinite," the latter of which is synonymous to "eternal" while the former is synonymous to "undecided"...
...and I was thinking of 10pi truncated, which turns out to be 31. The Shadow Lord is closest with a difference of 9. Follow QwertyuiopThePie's instructions from above this post. Be respectful yet assertive...
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Post by xShadowLordx on Nov 5, 2009 0:38:13 GMT -5
Alright, thank you Veers. I'm glad to accept these responsibilities, however, I do have one request; I think the other staff should help me write the PM. I'm not particularly good at writing punishment PMs, especially in such a delicate situation as this.
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Post by jakebob on Nov 5, 2009 6:24:07 GMT -5
Pi. We do not all agree on an indefinite ban. If you read the thread, you know that we were discussing a two-month ban. "Indefinite" is just another name for "permanent". Whomever does get it may disable BoL's account and throw in the IP, Email, and Username bans for two months, and we must alert BoL to the fact that his punishment will be done if he simply stays away from the forums until such time. Just a small note, indeterminate and indefinite mean that something will happen until a certain point in the future which hasn't been decided yet. Permanent means something happens forever. They're similar, but not the same. For the ban PM, I suggest that you mention his major grievances, the length of the ban, what he can do to shorten the time period he's banned for, and what happens if he breaks the ban by making a new account.
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Post by Qwerty on Nov 5, 2009 10:00:02 GMT -5
Jake, indefinite may have a different definition, but would we seriously ever do it? I mean, indefinite has only ever been used as a way of disguising a permanent ban. That's what I meant, not an error in my vocabulary.
He can't do anything to shorten the ban period. He'd be banned for that time, and as such, technically not supposed to approach the forums or chat.
I still can't help but wonder why we are punishing him twice. Why didn't we just give him a two-month-and-a-week ban, instead of a week ban, a break, and a two-month ban?
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Post by xShadowLordx on Nov 5, 2009 21:39:24 GMT -5
For the ban PM, I suggest that you mention his major grievances In that case, could someone give me a complete, unabridged list of all of his offenses, and if possible, their dates?
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Post by Qwerty on Nov 5, 2009 23:10:48 GMT -5
Now he and some other members are complaining that we gave no real reason for it.
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Post by jakebob on Nov 6, 2009 4:23:39 GMT -5
Right, on chat, he acts like a retard, says he'll use SQL injection to gain access to the admin account or use a DDoS to bring down the site's server (ie ProBoards), says that he'll call /b/ or /i/ to rain hell on the forum and spams mods to un-ban him if he's been banned with multiple accounts. For a laundry list of what he's done, go to his profile page, put in "100" in the "Most Recent Posts" and look through them. - He flames ShadeZero because he's either posted in the same topic as BoL, or BoL posted in one of his topics. He also accuses SZ of topic hijacking, even though SZ just posts in the topic.
- He replies to huge posts he can't argue against with "Cool story, bro".
- He picked on a new member because the newbie, Magic Powder, said he was from the community. When GV was nice to said newbie, BoL said we were "protecting TheListo" and said he felt like using SQL injection to hack into GV's account.
- He suggested to GGoodie what he could do if GGoodie didn't get modship on chat, and as a result, blew any chance of it working to smithereens.
- He got annoyed when he nominated himself for chat mod, and didn't get any votes, so he decided to make a topic voting for a forum mod's downfall, suggesting that ShadeZero should get one, then saying "OWAIT he already had one." and reminding mods not to edit his post because he has over 9000 copies set up.
- As an attempt to justify his recent "Forum Mod Downfall" topic, he made a topic entitled "It's not yet time to vote for a forum mod's fall!" and then said we didn't give him a chance to explain himself, in that he said "I'm NOT doing it because of that stupid voting thing that I could easily hijack", but because there's too many staff on the staff roll, and after being told off for THAT, said he wants more trouble for "the lulz".
- He made a "Was I respected?" thread tosee if he was respected before he went snooker-loopy. Not too bad, until you notice that he said if he gets less than 8 Yes's, random users that said no would get "brute force"'d.
- He then makes a topic saying he's going to be banned for grounds he's not been informed of. He then says Pickle said it's been negotiated to 1 month and 1 week, and said that it's quite rude to ban him 6 days before his birthday.
As a suggestion, might I suggest that you ban him on his birthday? Or the day before it. Show him what rudeness really is.
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