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Post by artik on Feb 12, 2010 21:16:19 GMT -5
I HIGHLY suggest some administrators do something to help the forum be more active, such as contests. Rosasecta is doing an excellent job at making their site live. Also, advertising will help. And I've been thinking of something else. Dan-Ball seems to be a very specific subject for a whole forum. What I was thinking is to make a bigger, more general forum that will expand to different gaming subjects, because honestly, we only really talk off-topic. This would open up many different opportunities, one example is that the contests and events will be much easier to make since it is not focusing on a limited subject. There are some problems though. One is that it will not appeal to many of the people here, since many of them aren't hardcore gamers. Also, it will just be another one of the many gaming proboard forums. That's why we need a website or blog, which will separate us from the other generic forums. No one has to agree with the new forum, a lot of people will probably want to stay here, but I really think that Dan-Ball is extremely limiting, and that hurts the goal to bring more members into our community. P.S. Speaking of more members... The administrators need to realize it's equally as important as keeping members as it is to get more members. P.S.S. GET OFF YOUR LAZY HINDQUARTERS AND ADVERTISE! I talked about the staff actually going on the chatroom daily and saying to advertise on the comments boards, but everyone seems to be lazy. P.S.S.S. CAN I BE STAFF. SERIOUSLY, I REALLY WANT TO HELP AND I'M ONE OF THE MOST ACTIVE AND OLDEST MEMBERS ON HERE!
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Post by Qwerty on Feb 13, 2010 1:55:07 GMT -5
No, no, and no. We already have contests (If the community bothered to post ideas), we are already affiliated with rosasecta, these are called the DAN-BALL FORUMS for a reason, we would most likely ignore a blog and a website would be pointless, as dan-ball IS our website, and we only want to bring in people interested in dan-ball, not just anyone, also, we already know we need more members, which is why we advertise regularly, a fact that everyone else seems to ignore, especially you, and there is no freaking way you are getting staff with that attitude.
Each sentence, individually disproved.
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Post by artik on Feb 13, 2010 8:06:59 GMT -5
No, no, and no. We already have contests (If the community bothered to post ideas), we are already affiliated with rosasecta, these are called the DAN-BALL FORUMS for a reason, we would most likely ignore a blog and a website would be pointless, as dan-ball IS our website, and we only want to bring in people interested in dan-ball, not just anyone, also, we already know we need more members, which is why we advertise regularly, a fact that everyone else seems to ignore, especially you, and there is no freaking way you are getting staff with that attitude. Each sentence, individually disproved. It's not up to you to decide whether I'm in staff or not, I'm going to wait for General Veers reply, since his opinions aren't always extremely ignorant, and he actually listens to new ideas and thinks through his post (a big issue here -.-), and he doesn't contradict everything I say, which, you just admitted. I don't care if I get rejected, as long as it isn't as rude as what you just said. Concerning the contests, how 'bout the staff posting some ideas? It's not the member's job to make contests, that is honestly just a dumb idea. The staff needs to think over contests and make a huge effort over them. I don't care if dan-ball affiliates with rosasecta, I said that they're doing a much better job at keeping the site alive, the staff should learn from them. Oh, and I just went to the comments board, and found one advertisement. "http://odbf.tk It's a website. The official forums. Of dan-ball. Go there if you want. Or don't. Up to you. Advertising is becoming increasingly awkward to be after being a part of the Xats." That has to be the most awful advertisement I've seen in the whole time I've been here. And it doesn't matter if one person advertises once a day (which no one does), it has to be done in large masses to show that we actually have more than one member. Have you realized that whenever I criticize the forums, someone thinks I'm trolling or "complaining" and takes it way too personally? Then they go off and contradict every single thing I say without even considering one idea they like, all the while being ignorant to how bad the forums are becoming.
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Post by Qwerty on Feb 13, 2010 10:15:00 GMT -5
You've been spamming me on STEAM and trolling me personally for days. This is why I get upset. More of a personal issue than about the post. When I get pissed, I get rude. Simple as that. ESPECIALLY at personal affronts. That last thread you made seemed to be a direct insult toward me and the other admins, and this thread is simply that thread in formal complaint form. I mean, seriously, you called me an "arrogant prick", or something along those lines. Or maybe that was Veers. Could have been either one. I also consider direct insults to the forum to me personally as well, and calling the ODBF boring is, quite simply, a direct insult. From my point of view, you've been insulting me in almost everything from your STEAM spam, which usually gets me on the verge of blocking you, to your direct insults to me personally, such as calling me an arrogant prick (or something along those lines). You think my advertisement was bad? Yours sounded extremely arrogant, saying we are far superior than the community of PG, shouting that we were OFFICIAL multiple times. I have been an Xatter. I know their attitudes. I know what they think of us. It is your type of advertisement that makes them think we are all complete jerks. At least mine gives them a choice. It's like "Vote cause we are more awesome than all you and if you don't you will stay inferior to our official awesomeness", versus "Vote if you want, and you think it would be good to join a more organized community of Dan-Ball fans".
Also, are you saying my arguments are always extremely ignorant? MY arguments? Extremely ignorant? Do you, in fact, know what that word means? I do listen to new ideas, but none of these ideas are at all new. They have been extensively discussed multiple times in many threads exactly like this in the past, both before and after you came. I also, believe it or not, think through my post just as much as you think through yours.
Matt, I don't see YOU advertising, now do I? You failed to mention the fact that I was the advertiser, I noticed.
Anyone has the power to suggest contests. If the community really wanted them, they could suggest them. Yet they don't. Whenever the staff DOES think of a contest, nobody bothers with it. Just look at the old Halloween contest.
Also, we can't really connect the ODBF with Rosasecta. They are totally different kinds of websites, and run in totally different ways. This is a forum, Rosasecta is a site about uploading stuff. The administrators already know that it is important to keep members. What, you think we WANT to see members leave?
The whole thing is kinda a jumbled up mess, but you get the point. I'm not disagreeing with everything you say, I'm merely saying that either we already do these things, or we already try to do these things, or we aren't supposed to do these things, or we cannot do these things. I actually agree with most of it.
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Post by KuraiOorora on Feb 13, 2010 15:52:45 GMT -5
You think my advertisement was bad? Yours sounded extremely arrogant, saying we are far superior than the community of PG, shouting that we were OFFICIAL multiple times. I have been an Xatter. I know their attitudes. I know what they think of us. It is your type of advertisement that makes them think we are all complete jerks. At least mine gives them a choice. Doesn't that sound familiar...? Moving on. Artik, every time I see a post of yours it is either A: spam that is NOT within the spam board, or B: a complaint to how staff run things and are "too lazy" to do anything. How naive can you possibly be? Staff here, especially QwertyuiopthePie, have been working constantly to upkeep what we have now. It is not like we do nothing but sit in the chat-room all day. Also, your ideas. They're the exact same ones you've said before for at least three times now. Maybe you haven't realized that the first time your ideas get rejected, it normally doesn't mean you should post them three more times. Sure, RosaSecta has it's ideas and activities, but that's why it is called RosaSecta, and not DAN-BALL. Advertising. Like Qwerty said, where have you been in the middle of all this? Don't be a hypocrite. We are gaining members, and activity is picking up, so I don't see anything wrong with our current advertising. I find your constant complaints as personal insults to both myself and Qwerty as well as the other staff. I'm sick and tired of hearing your whining and irrelevant posts that do nothing but taint the reputation of the staff as seen by other members. If it were up to my decision, your abusiveness of suggestion would have been dealt with a very long time ago. You want to be staff you say? Do you honestly think that after insulting us threescore, going against forum policy with your spamming and trolling behavior AND whining over every little decision we make, you expect us to even CONSIDER making you a staff member? I'll answer with my response clearly: No, no, and threescore no. I'll leave my last comment as this. If the Dan-Ball Forums do not meet your standards, Artik, then leave. I'm sure many of us will be relieved to know we do not have a constant shark-mouth biting our backs.
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Post by Qwerty on Feb 13, 2010 20:13:15 GMT -5
Kurai, I was talking about the quality of the fan site, not the community. Also, you must admit it WAS somewhat inferior. It was a couple links and a chat. I'ts not like I went over there and ranted about being official and they had to join us because they were inferior otherwise. I merely felt that the fansite itself (which is, by the way, dead) was certainly inferior.
Having said that, hurrah for Kurai. She said what I did, but added a lot and arranged it in a way that was actually possible to read. Minus the part about him leaving. He is, after all, our friend most of the time.
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Post by xShadowLordx on Feb 14, 2010 2:16:08 GMT -5
Moving on. Artik, every time I see a post of yours it is either A: spam that is NOT within the spam board, or B: a complaint to how staff run things and are "too lazy" to do anything. How naive can you possibly be? Staff here, especially QwertyuiopthePie, have been working constantly to upkeep what we have now. It is not like we do nothing but sit in the chat-room all day. Also, your ideas. They're the exact same ones you've said before for at least three times now. Maybe you haven't realized that the first time your ideas get rejected, it normally doesn't mean you should post them three more times. Sure, RosaSecta has it's ideas and activities, but that's why it is called RosaSecta, and not DAN-BALL. Advertising. Like Qwerty said, where have you been in the middle of all this? Don't be a hypocrite. We are gaining members, and activity is picking up, so I don't see anything wrong with our current advertising. I find your constant complaints as personal insults to both myself and Qwerty as well as the other staff. I'm sick and tired of hearing your whining and irrelevant posts that do nothing but taint the reputation of the staff as seen by other members. If it were up to my decision, your abusiveness of suggestion would have been dealt with a very long time ago. You want to be staff you say? Do you honestly think that after insulting us threescore, going against forum policy with your spamming and trolling behavior AND whining over every little decision we make, you expect us to even CONSIDER making you a staff member? I'll answer with my response clearly: No, no, and threescore no. I'll leave my last comment as this. If the Dan-Ball Forums do not meet your standards, Artik, then leave. I'm sure many of us will be relieved to know we do not have a constant shark-mouth biting our backs. I second that. I have nothing to add at the moment...
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Post by artik on Feb 14, 2010 7:29:27 GMT -5
Hey guys, guess what? You're still not doing anything. Nothing. It doesn't matter if you don't like what I'm saying, it's true. @qwerty, first of all, these ideas will do nothing but help the forum, so why are you against them? Don't you want to help the forum? I thought you were cool man. @kurai Maybe I should leave? I'm one of the most active and oldest members on here, the only one that is really trying to help. You know what that means don't you? It means you hold no value in members at all, you could care less about them. At least Qwerty is advertising, even a little, but Kurai, you're doing nothing. And now you're telling a person who is actually willing to put immense effort in helping-to leave. You don't even care for the people of this website, and I assure you, telling people to just "leave" is not a good way to make a strong community, and also not very appropriate for a staff member, must I remind you that you are part of the staff, and looking at your insults, you couldn't keep a straight head at me criticizing the forums. Like an artist, you have to listen to criticism, even if you do not agree. You don't go crazy and start defending it, you accept and remember it for later, because that is the only way you'll get better. And if people like you do not accept my suggestions, and don't even consider them (mostly because a grudge you've hold against me for forever), then this forum will never get better. You must address the faults, these are not "complaints". "If it were up to my decision, your abusiveness of suggestion would have been dealt with a very long time ago." Honestly, if it was your decision, you wouldn't even have a forum. Oh and by the way.. "Having said that, hurrah for Kurai. She said what I did, but added a lot and arranged it in a way that was actually possible to read. Minus the part about him leaving. He is, after all, our friend most of the time." Nice one Qwerty
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Post by KuraiOorora on Feb 14, 2010 15:31:00 GMT -5
Thank you, Listo, for giving permission to finish the conversation.
It is not my primary job to advertise the forum. My job is more focused on keeping forum policy intact from those who do not follow the rules. I'm sorry if I have more important things to attend to, like my own personal life, and am unable to be online every single day.
Willing to put in immense effort? Maybe you should tame your attitude before you go ahead and believe that you run the Dan-Ball Forums, because it pretty much sounds like it right now.
You do not under any circumstance have the authority to tell me how to run my position as a staff member of these forums. That is just blatantly rude and disrespectful. Be mindful of who is actually in possession of staff-ship before you make a remark like that. I honestly think that it is jealousy that overcomes you, being the fact that I have achieved the position that you have failed to undertake.
Criticism is fine, until you abuse the excuse of such to which your ideas have already been considered. Such a crime you have committed, and you cannot deny it. I've listened to your ideas, numerous times in fact, and have discussed them with other staff members. It is you who has a "tamper tantrum" because you do not have the authority to make the forum to your liking with your own ideas, rather than considering what is thought of as good for the majority.
About the grudge, that is the exact same thing certain users had said about user BladeoftheListo and I. One time such excuse has been used is enough, and I do not plan for it to be used again. As with your views on my consideration and "complaints," re-read the previous paragraph.
That is a mere assumption, which I disagree with. The behavior of a user and the overall outlook of a forum are two separate things mind you.
Now that that has been clearly broken down...
She!? That doesn't seem like an accidental typo...
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Post by GGoodie on Feb 14, 2010 15:55:13 GMT -5
Artik is right... this forum lacks activity because its so narrow. We will never get a high amount of the dan-ball community join, which is expected, but its not a very large community itself. If we focused on a broader subject we would have a larger community to pull members from. And also, when i read the posts in this thread, i found that all but TSL's, Listo's and Artik's posts were really rude sounding... it really does sound like you aren't even considering it.
Oh, and locking threads is a horrible way to solve flaming issues. (no offense) You should put the flaming posts in spoilers and warn the members and/or staff who are flaming. Its unfair to those people who may have contributed to the topic but didn't get the change because it was locked.
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Post by vaconcovat on Feb 14, 2010 16:40:01 GMT -5
This forum was made for a small community. I honestly don't believe that we need to expand to a more general topic. I do agree that we could be more active, actually doing contests, and advertising more. The "Community" seems to think that the odbf is a bad place because it is full of flaming and trolling. *ahem*
And this thread is unlocked...
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Post by KuraiOorora on Feb 14, 2010 16:46:31 GMT -5
If we "focus on a more broader subject," then this forum cannot be called the Dan-Ball Forums. It would be something completely new and against all that we have set our purposes for. Regardless of how activity stands, the forum is to focus on it's current and primary subject: Dan-Ball and its products.
The forum may be lacking in activity, but you fail to notice that it is actually gaining it. You can see this in the gaining of members that have been participating in forum discussion, such as users Vertigo and Izacque. Also, you misplaced Artik's name in the list who you believe to be not rude.
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Post by GGoodie on Feb 14, 2010 16:56:47 GMT -5
The thread was locked but i KO unlocked it for me...
and no, we are losing activity. We may have gained a few new active members but we are losing alot of our older members...
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Post by artik on Feb 14, 2010 17:01:05 GMT -5
@gg Thanx @kurai My ideas were considered, eh? Well then, why hasn't anything happened? I don't see any new contests, no advertising sprees, nothing new. Why is that? Were they rejected? Why were they rejected? You keep on saying that you discussed them with staff members, but nothing has happened. Nothing at all. I'm not sure what a "t amper tantrum" is, but do you really think my ideas and thoughts are only for me? Yeah, new members and making the forum more fun definitely benefits only me! Say, if Listo made this thread, would you be acting the same as you are now? No, because you have a grudge against me. You have had it for forever. You'll probably say, "Because he's my superior", but does that still does not mean you can insult and be prejudice to a regular member. And yes, Kurai, I'm very jealous of you. I mean, you're an administrator of a unpopular, small, forum that's based on a small Java game! I mean, that's amazing! You should be very proud of that accomplishment
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Post by izacque on Feb 14, 2010 18:05:05 GMT -5
Matt, why are you making suggestions, but not putting in your share? How many users have you brought to the forums? How many contest ideas have you given? Has it ever occured to you that whenever you trash the forums, or the staff, you are sending a message ou to new members that this forum is boring and has lazy admin, and you end up being the cause of their departure. Your first instinct is probably to ask me the same questions. How many people have I brought to the site? only one. (I never got my 25 DB for that, btw) and how many advertisements have I put out? only 2 hours on omegle. And how many contest ideas have I made? not a single one. But what separates me from you is I'm not being hypocritical and self-rightious and blaming everyone but myself.
If you wanted to help, you would be helping.
...And, do you want a Dan-ball forum? or a gaming forum? I mean, seriously. if you're not here for Dan-ball, then why are you here? Mind you, just because I'm asking this, doesn't mean I want you to leave, but remember, this is a community centered around Dan-Ball. It will never be a community centered around Team Fortress, Borderlands, or G-Mod. If you want to post in a community like that, feel free. But, I have no idea why you would want to convert as small Dan-ball community into a Steam-gaming community.
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Post by artik on Feb 14, 2010 18:46:57 GMT -5
Matt, why are you making suggestions, but not putting in your share? How many users have you brought to the forums? How many contest ideas have you given? Has it ever occured to you that whenever you trash the forums, or the staff, you are sending a message ou to new members that this forum is boring and has lazy admin, and you end up being the cause of their departure. Your first instinct is probably to ask me the same questions. How many people have I brought to the site? only one. (I never got my 25 DB for that, btw) and how many advertisements have I put out? only 2 hours on omegle. And how many contest ideas have I made? not a single one. But what separates me from you is I'm not being hypocritical and self-rightious and blaming everyone but myself. If you wanted to help, you would be helping. ...And, do you want a Dan-ball forum? or a gaming forum? I mean, seriously. if you're not here for Dan-ball, then why are you here? Mind you, just because I'm asking this, doesn't mean I want you to leave, but remember, this is a community centered around Dan-Ball. It will never be a community centered around Team Fortress, Borderlands, or G-Mod. If you want to post in a community like that, feel free. But, I have no idea why you would want to convert as small Dan-ball community into a Steam-gaming community. I think only the staff should make contests, because dumping that job on the members is very good. Like I have been saying for a long time, advertisements will only really draw attention on the comments board if there's a huge amount of them. I tried a while back to get everyone to do that at once, but no one cooperated. That's why I want the staff to get involved. And no, I am not "trashing" the site, I'm offering ideas to improve it. People are simply being to sensitive about it. I want a forum with a broader subject because a lot of us talk about different thing unrelated to Dan-Ball, especially on the chatroom. It's mostly become a hang-out place, where not many people here still play on Dan-Ball at all. Anyways, all of you are overreacting. Reply to the thread maturely, and please stop being so sensitive about one website. All of you seem to be ignoring the fact that if we do these things, they will only help. Kurai, especially, is acting extremely immature about this (no, being mature does not mean having a big head and typing with punctuation and correct grammar). Oh, and btw, the description for this board is: "Share an idea, point out a bug, or make a comment about the site here. We appreciate your ideas and opinions greatly."
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Post by xShadowLordx on Feb 15, 2010 1:38:24 GMT -5
I think it's time I said something here... WARNING: THIS POST IS EXTREMELY EMOTIONAL. READ WITH CAUTION. YOU RISK BEING DEEPLY MOVED.And yes, Kurai, I'm very jealous of you. I mean, you're an administrator of a unpopular, small, forum that's based on a small Java game! I mean, that's amazing! You should be very proud of that accomplishment Don't you dare insult the site like that, Artik. Size and popularity are meaningless. You have NO IDEA how wrong you are. You have no idea how much that hurts me. I don't know about you, but I personally am a very sentimental and emotional person. As a matter of fact, I think joining this site and rising to the position I'm in now has been one of the biggest accomplishments of my life. To me, this is more than just a website. This place is like home to me. I can't possibly tell you how much this forum has changed my life. It has made me more mature, more responsible, more friendly, and made me a better person. Sure, there aren't many people here, but I have made friends here on the forum who are just as good, if not better, than my friends in real life. This forum is where I come whenever I'm down. I come here when my real life friends fail me. Because I know that here, I am respected. I am valued. I am loved. It makes me feel good about myself. It's not about how big or popular the site is. It's about the life-changing events we have here. It's about the connections and friendships you make. It's about the memories we share. It's about--and I know this sounds terribly cliched--character building. Believe it or not, I have actually realized that as our discussions have strayed farther and farther away from Dan-Ball, the site has been feeling less like home to me. It just doesn't feel the same anymore. I don't want to lose this, both as an Admin of this site, and as a person. And no, I am not "trashing" the site, I'm offering ideas to improve it. People are simply being to sensitive about it. I want a forum with a broader subject because a lot of us talk about different thing unrelated to Dan-Ball, especially on the chatroom. It's mostly become a hang-out place, where not many people here still play on Dan-Ball at all. Broadening our site's topic may allow us to restore interest, increase activity, and make us more successful as a website. But it will make us a failure as an Official Dan-Ball Forum site. In broadening our topic, we will fail to accomplish what we set out to do. I've been here almost since the site began, and a few of the people here have been with me all along the way. When this site was founded (and then died and was subsequently reborn), we set out with a clear mission in mind. We set out to support, promote, and advocate Dan-Ball and its games. In my 2+ years here, I've experienced many things, some good and some bad. But when the going got tough, we never gave up. Just because we're losing activity and people are straying Dan-Ball, doesn't mean we should give in to the evil temptations of topic-broadening. That would make us weak. We are not weak. We are strong. We may be losing activity now, but our faith and determination will never die. I don't know what the future holds for this site, but no matter how inactive this site becomes, no matter how bad things get, there will always be a dedicated few of us who will fight for the ideas the site was founded on. Instead of bashing the site, you could be one of those dedicated few, Artik. This site may be small and unpopular, but you could do great things for this site if you really tried, instead of being such a backseat-driver. We may be a small community, but no matter how small we are, our hearts are strong, and you could earn the respect of this community and its staff if you would simply be more mature, helpful, and agreeable, and less hypocritical. You have a lot of potential, Artik. [arrogant]Heck, you could be the next me.[/arrogant] The point is, we cannot let ourselves stray away from Dan-Ball. Dan-Ball is what brought us all together. Dan-Ball is the flame that burns within our souls. Without Dan-Ball, we are lost. Like I said before, I have noticed the site getting worse and worse over the past few weeks as we have strayed from Dan-Ball, and I, for one, am not going to let this happen. I am NOT going to let us lose our values. I am NOT going to let us give up. I am NOT going to let us fail at our mission.
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Post by vaconcovat on Feb 15, 2010 5:29:51 GMT -5
whoa, just whoa. Nice text-wall TSL. Very moving. *tear drop*
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Post by artik on Feb 15, 2010 8:52:07 GMT -5
I still don't see anything happening .__. Can we actually do something, please? That's what the point was after all, not to argue about it. If me made a forum more broad it's not an "evil temptation" -.- It was just an idea, that you, and everyone else is over-reacting about. None of you can stand a simple statement that says how we can improve. So really, if you're going to argue like this and act as if I'm inferior, then get out of my thread.
TSL, if you really loved this site as much as you said (which is a little creepy), then you would agree with me (besides the part about making another site). You would help me make advertising sprees. You would help with making the website more fun. You would do this, because you love the site. So why are you not doing this? Why are you not helping, and agreeing to these ideas? I actually don't know, and I'm going to leave you to answer that. You disagreed with the new website, which is acceptable, but then the other half of your long (very long) post talked about how I insulted the site. Did you really think that was serious? It was a comeback to Kurai's genius post about how I'm "jealous" towards him, you didn't have to take it so personally.
Am I a hypocrite? Sure, whatever you think, but the thing is if I take action with these ideas, I will fail at it if I'm alone, especially if I'm a regular member -lolhint- Normally, staff would be pleased to see that a member wants to help their site, and they would help him too. It has to be a team effort, and people have to keep working with it, instead of wasting their time typing a stupid argument. I can't do everything by myself, and I'm not going to be foolish enough to do so.
I'm going to say this again. For heaven's sake, there's nothing wrong with my ideas. They will only help (except the "topic-broadening" thing, that's a discussion sorta thing and it was just a side-idea that I made in the middle of the night, it's ok to disagree with it [do it politely please, instead of calling it an "evil temptation"]), there's nothing wrong and it won't harm the site at all with them. No one seems to be comprehending this at all, and to ignore this fact is just stupid. I know you guys are not stupid, so why are you ignoring it? Is it because you have a grudge against me? Answer, please.
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Post by izacque on Feb 15, 2010 11:20:54 GMT -5
Artik, expand on "more broad", because what I see it as is you want the DAN-BALL FORUMS to revolve around NON-DAN-BALL subject matter. What is "improve" to you? is it high membership rates? Is it a forum that has a new post every two hours? because that isn't improving, that's becoming main-stream. It would be nice to get activity like that, but as long as Dan-Ball is not mainstream, then this site is not main-stream. it focuses on a small community who think of Dan-Ball as more than a "I'm bored" kind of site. Artik, an advertising spree is very hard to get up and running. do you think it's the staff's fault? Do you think if listo went on chat and started getting us to advertise, do you think many of us would go? or would we be too busy? would YOU be too busy? This isn't like the staff says, "Advertising spree. now" and then it happens. if it were that easy, then we would do it. But as you failed to get a spree going, THEY would fail to get a spree going. just because they're staff doesn't mean they have any more influence than you unless they start waving the ban hammer around. Artik, you made THREE ideas! 1. Comment board advertisement. You know how hard it is to organize that. 2. Broader subject matter. I.E. make this the official Dan-Ball, steam, hot topic forums. 3. Contest ideas. GO AND Belgium-ing MAKE ONE, OKAY? what's stopping you? Seriously, What? Look at these, Artik. they are either impossible, detrimental to the forum's purpose, or hypocritical. THAT is why agreeing with your suggestions does NOTHING to help the forums. NOTHING!
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