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Post by xShadowLordx on Feb 17, 2010 19:06:23 GMT -5
I can't believe, in all the time this forum has been around, there has never been a thread about this in the Serious Debate board...
Discuss.
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Post by General Veers on Feb 17, 2010 19:15:25 GMT -5
What is there to discuss? You create a thread simply to have us "discuss"? Surely, you created this thread for more than just the mere fact that this thread didn't exist. Surely, there is something about the union of homosexual partners that either you like or don't like (although, based off your discussion in chat, dislike)?
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Post by xShadowLordx on Feb 17, 2010 19:17:40 GMT -5
Well, yeah, it's just that I'm too lazy at the moment to start us off by stating my opinion...
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Post by darkraine on Feb 17, 2010 19:49:12 GMT -5
Well the way I see it, I just don't think there's any reason why it shouldn't be allowed.
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Post by FoxtrotZero on Feb 17, 2010 20:11:12 GMT -5
I'm with Chrono on this one.
I think Homosexuality is akward, but I see no reason it should not be allowed.
The problem is as follows; religion. Lets not forget my heavily athiest views.
Its as simple as most religions saying that such should not be so. There is, by the way, a thread for religious debate.
Fifty Dan-Balls says this conversation will, if it exceeds twenty five posts, degenerate into debate over religious views versus non-religious ones.
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Post by QwertyuiopThePie on Feb 17, 2010 20:36:39 GMT -5
I take that bet.
I see absolutely nothing wrong with gay marriage, and to be honest I found those "Pro prop 8" ads pretty stuck-up. As I do with the majority of people that are against it. Seriously, why can't gay people have the same rights as everyone else?
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Post by xShadowLordx on Feb 17, 2010 21:10:47 GMT -5
Seriously, why can't gay people have the same rights as everyone else? You know what I really, really hate? How people try to turn this into an issue of "rights", when in reality, it's not. Look at it this way. In states where gay marriage is illegal: 1. A straight person has the right to marry someone of the opposite sex. 2. A gay person has the right to marry someone of the opposite sex. 3. A straight person does not have the right to marry someone of the same sex. 4. A gay person does not have the right to marry someone of the same sex. As you can see, straights and gays have exactly the same rights. Banning gay marriage does not take away rights from gays. It takes away rights from everyone. We're all still equal. So don't try and turn this into something it's not.
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Post by Vertigo on Feb 17, 2010 21:15:42 GMT -5
Okay, I'm religious, but guess what? That doesn't mean I get to enforce my views onto somebody else. In all religions that look down upon homosexual marriage, the Quran, the Bible, and the Torah state it for a personal thing you don't do. It never stated anywhere to make sure that people don't do it. The Apostle Paul said this about homosexuals, "shall not inherit the kingdom of God". Well, now you think that you're doing them a favor, right, giving them the kingdom of God? Well guess what? Just because they denied that little favor of yours doesn't mean that it should be made illegal. The combination of Religion and State is what's illegal.
Edit: TSL posted while I was making this post, so whenever I say 'you' in it, I'm not referring to him.
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Post by QwertyuiopThePie on Feb 17, 2010 21:46:19 GMT -5
Straight people would not marry someone of the same gender. Gay people wouldn't marry someone of an opposite gender unless they were faking it. Thus those aren't really applicable.
As such, yes, this IS about rights.
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Post by xShadowLordx on Feb 17, 2010 21:54:33 GMT -5
That has nothing to do with it, Qwerty. We are all given certain rights. Whether or not we choose to exercise those rights is irrelevant.
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Post by V.I.R.O.S. on Feb 17, 2010 22:00:33 GMT -5
I really don't see any issue with homosexual union. I mean, it's not hurting anybody, and it's going to make A LOT of gays & lesbians happy.
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Post by FoxtrotZero on Feb 17, 2010 23:20:04 GMT -5
I'm with VIROS as of yet. TSL, everyone may have the same rights, but thats not to say that all people are lacking rights.
As it stands, no person can marry someone of the same sex, regardless. While people may be on the same terms, this is something noone can do, and with that having been said.
The fact that everyone is on the same ground does not abolish the arguement; There are NO logical grounds upon which to base the disallowance of Same-Sex Marriage.
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Post by QwertyuiopThePie on Feb 17, 2010 23:27:27 GMT -5
This is the same logic that the Jim Crow laws used, and look how those worked out. Their excuse was that everyone's rights were drained equally, white people as much as black people. That's obviously not the case. Well, being gay isn't always a choice. If someone made a law against people of opposite genders marrying each other, how would YOU feel? Cause, you know, being straight is a "choice" and it would affect everyone's rights equally.
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Post by Randomness on Feb 18, 2010 2:23:05 GMT -5
PLZ NO CHRISTIAN FLAMING, KTHX.
@ FOXTROT, CONTINUEING FROM YOUR POST: Yes there is and its called RELIGION. Completely stupid reason, but its true, people arent allowed to marry cus of one stupid block of text or poem in some old, unproven book. But as i see it, this is not a logical reason and is more illogical than anything else. In the end, are we going to let people be happy, or obey some feeble old man who worked out how to put ink to parchment?
Personally, I think that people should be able to love, marry, and live happily with whoever they like, and i really dont care what god says about the whole thing. I see nothing wrong with gay marriage, because they love who they want to, and they should be able to get married with who THEY want to, it should be THEIR choice not the choice of some stupid commandment made in a book that was comprised by hundreds of different people over hundreds of years. Any one of the authors could have been lieing, and im my opinion(opinion)(OPINION, DONT FLAME ME!), they all were.
Note that im not implying that any of my statements are 100% true, I might be wrong in some places but dont flame me for that, just correct me.
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Post by mattaroni on Feb 25, 2010 19:03:42 GMT -5
Marriage is defined by my religious beliefs as the union between a man and a women. I'm not a gay-hater, I just don't believe homosexuals shold be granted the opportunity to a legal marriage. ' Besides, our law system was molded by the founding fathers. Their decisions were rooted in wise, just, religious beliefs.
*braces for a flaming from random atheists*
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Post by QwertyuiopThePie on Feb 25, 2010 21:39:44 GMT -5
Pfft, religious beliefs be neither wise nor just. You know, if "religious beliefs" were always true, women wouldn't be allowed to talk in church? Or vote? Or keep anything after a divorce? Or, in fact, do anything but practically be slaves to their husbands?
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Post by mattaroni on Feb 26, 2010 12:50:07 GMT -5
Do you even have a religion you believe in?
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Post by snackattack on Feb 26, 2010 14:05:53 GMT -5
I believe if you love someone no matter the sex or color you should be able to marry them.
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Post by Randomness on Feb 26, 2010 15:05:06 GMT -5
I believe if you love someone no matter the sex or color you should be able to marry them. I second that!
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Post by Saza on Feb 26, 2010 17:41:33 GMT -5
Support it 100%.
derp
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