THE SPHERE

[vaconcovat]

Ive been writing this for rosasecta, thought you guys might wanna read it.

BTW: Waaaaay not finished.

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And thats about it.... I based that CYOA forum game off it a while ago.

[Qwerty]

So THAT is what that forum game was about!

[General Veers]

That is quite an engaging story...

Will the story itself be quasi-infinite? I.e. will you continue developing your story without any definite plan for an ending until you quit the forums, die, or something else?

[vaconcovat]

Well, everyone at rosa loved it as well.

Veers, I kinda planned an ending... But im not sure when i'll get there.

My friend wants me to extend it and write it professionally, then attempt ot get it published. But im not a writer...

[Qwerty]

Then I don't suggest you post it here. Anything you post here becomes the "intellectual property of Proboards". Just a heads up.

Quick question: If the device can make an infinite amount of matter, then why doesn't it destroy the universe? Wouldn't the device replace the matter that was already there? Or it it an alternate reality?

[vaconcovat]

Well, that's another theory that you will find out later on.

Think. What is infinity subtract infinity? Infinity. (Just a theory,
Veers, feel free to comment) The theory is that you cannot destroy infinity, even with infinite opposite force.

And i dont really plan on "Actually" writing it, but i probably should remove it. Anyone know any independent story writing communities?

[Qwerty]

Isn't infinity minus infinity zero? I mean, if you just store Infinite to the variable X, then X-X=0. Anything short of infinity, though, and it stays infinite.

As for independents, no idea. I could host it on the Nonja bookshelf, and indeed will ask you for permission to do so later, but then you couldn't update it live.

[vaconcovat]

Infinity is invalid. It is undefinable. I'm pretty sure you cant represent it as a variable.

Anywho, sorry, im going to take down the story now, just in case. I will host it somewhere else where I OWN IT.

[General Veers]

Now that someone is attempting to explain it, I feel I must intervene.

You cannot perform math upon the concept of infinity. "Infinity" is not a definite number, but a concept used to explain whether sets of numbers approach some finite limit or go without boundaries. You CAN use limits to explain the behavior of infinity, however, but you must also know how quickly something approaches infinity (i.e. at what rate).

If two functions both approach infinity at the same rate, then you can take the limit of (ax + b) - (cx + d) as x approaches infinity.

lim_x→∞(ax + b) - (cx + d)
lim_x→∞(ax - cx + b - d)
lim_x→∞(a - c)x + b - d
∞

There is no limit.

Their relative growth rate with respect to each other can be modeled with a limited ratio.

lim_x→∞(ax + b) / (cx + d)
lim_x→∞(a + b/x) / (c + d/x)
(a + 0) / (c + 0)
a/c

The relative growth rate between the two functions is a/c.

If you know that one function approaches infinity in a quadratic manner rather than in a linear manner, then you could take the limit of ax² + bx + c - (dx + e) as x approaches infinity.

lim_x→∞(ax² + bx + c) - (dx + e)
lim_x→∞(ax² + bx - dx + c - e)
lim_x→∞x(ax + b - d + c/x - e/x)
∞

There is no limit.

lim_x→∞(ax² + bx + c) / (dx + e)
lim_x→∞x²(a + b/x + c/x²) / (x(d + e/x))
lim_x→∞x²(a + 0 + 0) / x(d + 0)
lim_x→∞(ax² / dx)
lim_x→∞(ax / d)
∞

There is no limit.

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There is no limit if you combine functions that approach infinity. There might be a finite growth rate between two functions if they are of similar order (result: a finite non-zero number) or if the denominator has a greater maximum order than the numerator (result: zero).

[notfunny103]

I skimmed through the story and what I read was interesting and I liked the story; however, I would change the title, because there is another book called SPHERE, and at first, before I read the story, I thought that that was the one you were talking about. But besides that It's good.

[vaconcovat]

Thank you veers, story removed.

kthxbai. Feel free to lock this.

[Qwerty]

Wait, shouldn't we wait until you link us to the story? Or at least to a place where we can download a txt file of the story? Or something?

[Skribbblie]

That was the most awesome thing I have ever read!!!

[vaconcovat]

Dont lock it until i host it somewhere else. It is on rosasecta....

[FoxtrotZero]

Mar 27, 2010 20:40:09 GMT -5 General Veers said:

Now that someone is attempting to explain it, I feel I must intervene.

You cannot perform math upon the concept of infinity. "Infinity" is not a definite number, but a concept used to explain whether sets of numbers approach some finite limit or go without boundaries. You CAN use limits to explain the behavior of infinity, however, but you must also know how quickly something approaches infinity (i.e. at what rate).

If two functions both approach infinity at the same rate, then you can take the limit of (ax + b) - (cx + d) as x approaches infinity.

lim_x→∞(ax + b) - (cx + d)
lim_x→∞(ax - cx + b - d)
lim_x→∞(a - c)x + b - d
∞

There is no limit.

Their relative growth rate with respect to each other can be modeled with a limited ratio.

lim_x→∞(ax + b) / (cx + d)
lim_x→∞(a + b/x) / (c + d/x)
(a + 0) / (c + 0)
a/c

The relative growth rate between the two functions is a/c.

If you know that one function approaches infinity in a quadratic manner rather than in a linear manner, then you could take the limit of ax² + bx + c - (dx + e) as x approaches infinity.

lim_x→∞(ax² + bx + c) - (dx + e)
lim_x→∞(ax² + bx - dx + c - e)
lim_x→∞x(ax + b - d + c/x - e/x)
∞

There is no limit.

lim_x→∞(ax² + bx + c) / (dx + e)
lim_x→∞x²(a + b/x + c/x²) / (x(d + e/x))
lim_x→∞x²(a + 0 + 0) / x(d + 0)
lim_x→∞(ax² / dx)
lim_x→∞(ax / d)
∞

There is no limit.

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There is no limit if you combine functions that approach infinity. There might be a finite growth rate between two functions if they are of similar order (result: a finite non-zero number) or if the denominator has a greater maximum order than the numerator (result: zero).

So. I'm going to skip the good general's mathematical crap and lay it down from an engineer's perspective.

Infinity is, by definition, lack of constraint. That is to say, an endless amount of matter. It can be measured, but it cannot be fully measured. That is to say, you cannot claim that an infinite space is this big by this big, but you can claim that there is an area so large by so large within this infinite space at said coordinates.

As such, if we were to apply the concept of infinity to a simple variable (i) as variables are simply placeholders for unknowns, varying valuables, or in many a case, just more efficent when predetermined (like in programming).

I-I=?

Well lets stop and think here. From a mathematical point of view, its evident that this results in nothing. NOW apply it realistically. If you have an infinite space, and then destroy an infinite amount of space, there are a number of outcomes.

The first is a paradox, as infinity is unending. Therefore, the space is never fully destroyed. As to whether or not this means the space physically exists, I have no clue.

Another way to envision it is that, there was an infinite amount of space existing, and then you took away an infinite amount of space, and nothing is left. Thats logical.

Following this, lets say we had this expression.

I+I=?

Mathematically it is 2I, and no, the I does not stand for it being an imaginary number.

Or does it. No, that would be 2II, but you understand the cliffhanger.

Infinity does not end. One could add infinity to infinity, but the result would still be infinity - as the componets of the sum go on forever, so does the sum itself. Except, its supposed to be neverending all at one point. Confusing.

Now lets think of this in realtime. If you had two infinite spaces, what happens?

You know what? I haven't a damn clue. I hope this has been informational in as to why engineers don't screw with or give a damn about infinity.

Its 1 AM. I need to stay away from theoretical physics.

[vaconcovat]

The story is based on the fact (fiction) that someone achieved infinity. Upon achieving infinity, new laws arose. Such as the fact that infinity cannot be destroyed, even with an infinite amount of opposing force. Also, that there is an infinite amount of infinity in infinity. The meaning of infinity, is having no limit.

Now, continue discussing the aspect of infinity, i don't care if it isn't logical, this is SCIENCE FICTION anyway...

[Qwerty]

I added a linky.

[vaconcovat]

Kthx.