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Post by jakebob on Oct 21, 2009 16:28:38 GMT -5
So was molopoy, Fox. So were the people that took down Australia's government's website, even for a little bit. You can't cut off access, he has a full-on proxy-kit thingy. A permaban would, therefore, do nothing... ...Of course, he seems better now. Slightly. He has internet access that connects with a dynamic IP. He's said he's eleven, and I've talked with Molopoy, and he, iirc, was about 17 years old. BoL isn't a super-hacker that has the intelligence of Stephen Hawking and the malice of Stalin, he's a bored child with internet access. Whilst you can't completely block him, you CAN do the following: Block any accounts that are like the dagamer account. Not by name, but with IP address, or e-mail address. If he makes a new account, check for identical unique details, and ban him if he IS the real BoL.
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Post by Qwerty on Oct 21, 2009 20:07:51 GMT -5
Jake, I know he has dynamic IP, but he also uses proxies. I mean, do you think that I haven't had plenty of experience with people like this? Anyway, you don't need to be smart to evade a ban or take down a website. All you need are the right tools. BoL has them. I know, he's linked them to me.
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Post by KuraiOorora on Oct 22, 2009 14:46:00 GMT -5
So in other words he's pretty much black-mailed you? He's a child forsaken grace...
His language and behavior is also unacceptable as of now. I suggest that he'd eventually get bored and leave if we just keep giving him chastisement...
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Post by Qwerty on Oct 22, 2009 18:26:23 GMT -5
Never underestimate a child. Ever.
Kurai, you have a personal grudge against him. Every post I see, you are insulting him in some way. The rules defend him as well, remember? Flaming against him is still flaming. This is me telling you to stop.
Anyway, if a bunch of children can take down the Australia's website, even for a little bit, I'm pretty sure one of them can avoid being banned on a forum.
Besides, he was only banned for one week, as he deserved. We aren't permabanning him for a personal vendetta.
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Post by FoxtrotZero on Oct 23, 2009 0:03:04 GMT -5
I thought that ban was extended to a month? If it was only a week, its certinally over.
Anyway, I had a Dynamic IP with my old ISP, and it changed every 24 Hours. Most ISPs with Dynamic IPs operate like this, as there are too many addresses with too much demand spread too far apart to be essentially issuing every person a proxy.
But I have Banned him multiple times in a Day. This means that, Dynamic IP or Not, he has used Proxies to evade our attempts.
Look, he is getting better. Hes a bored kid and the ODBF chat is seemingly the only thing on the internet that will keep him satisfied. I'm barely older than him, and I know the feeling. Not of not having enough to do, but when you only have one thing to do on the internet and thats taken away, you might as well not have internet, and we all know that life without the internet is hellish.
As of yet, we're just riding him out, but we honestly can't predict what he'll decide to do, and if worse comes to worse, and theres really only so much he can do, we are going to need a plan of action to deal with him to the best of our ability.
I know we aren't the spetnaz or the fallschimjager or the Rangers of the Internet, but we have to be able to defend our humble forum from a bored kid.
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Post by jakebob on Oct 23, 2009 4:55:52 GMT -5
I thought that ban was extended to a month? If it was only a week, its certinally over. Anyway, I had a Dynamic IP with my old ISP, and it changed every 24 Hours. Most ISPs with Dynamic IPs operate like this, as there are too many addresses with too much demand spread too far apart to be essentially issuing every person a proxy. But I have Banned him multiple times in a Day. This means that, Dynamic IP or Not, he has used Proxies to evade our attempts. He resets his router, which is why he disappears for a few minutes before appearing with a different IP. Look, he is getting better. Hes a bored kid and the ODBF chat is seemingly the only thing on the internet that will keep him satisfied. I'm barely older than him, and I know the feeling. Not of not having enough to do, but when you only have one thing to do on the internet and thats taken away, you might as well not have internet, and we all know that life without the internet is hellish. Dunno about you, but I can live without internet. I wouldn't be as well informed on matters, but life certainly wouldn't be hellish. As of yet, we're just riding him out, but we honestly can't predict what he'll decide to do, and if worse comes to worse, and theres really only so much he can do, we are going to need a plan of action to deal with him to the best of our ability. There are a multitude of things that we could do to stop him, but for now, the best thing to do is to ban him if he acts against the rules. I know we aren't the spetnaz or the fallschimjager or the Rangers of the Internet, but we have to be able to defend our humble forum from a bored kid. We can. It's known as post restrictions. Limit him to 5 posts a day until he stops acting like a fart on the forums, and on chat, ban him for an hour if he intentionally breaks the rules, then turn it into a 24-hour ban if he changes IP and returns to do it again. If his ban is over, let him chat, but if he starts flaming, trolling or breaking any other rules then go nuts.
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Post by Qwerty on Oct 23, 2009 8:43:23 GMT -5
His ban was over long ago. Only Kurai went for the extension, it wasn't approved.
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Post by jakebob on Oct 23, 2009 12:18:05 GMT -5
...so has he been told?
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Post by Qwerty on Oct 23, 2009 14:45:44 GMT -5
What, that his ban was over? He already knew that. It's not exactly recent.
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Post by jakebob on Oct 23, 2009 18:03:16 GMT -5
What, that his ban was over? He already knew that. It's not exactly recent. Well, according to him he's still banned.
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Post by FoxtrotZero on Oct 23, 2009 18:05:02 GMT -5
To the extent of my knowledge, hes still banned on all fronts. I've actually been banning him. He usually comes on trolling anyway. Is his ban over or not? Anyway, this just in: I don't know what its about, but hes not exactly getting "Better" I don't think. If he continues at this rate, his ban will never run out.
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Post by jakebob on Oct 23, 2009 18:22:10 GMT -5
To the extent of my knowledge, hes still banned on all fronts. I've actually been banning him. He usually comes on trolling anyway. Is his ban over or not? Anyway, this just in: I don't know what its about, but hes not exactly getting "Better" I don't think. If he continues at this rate, his ban will never run out. How about this then: We unban him, and all of his little elves alts, then ban him if he starts acting like a lobster milkshake.
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Post by FoxtrotZero on Oct 23, 2009 20:42:57 GMT -5
...lobster milkshake?
Yeah, that works. Hopefully, it won't escalate to this point again.
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Post by KuraiOorora on Oct 24, 2009 16:19:21 GMT -5
Never underestimate a child. Ever. Kurai, you have a personal grudge against him. Every post I see, you are insulting him in some way. The rules defend him as well, remember? Flaming against him is still flaming. This is me telling you to stop. Anyway, if a bunch of children can take down the Australia's website, even for a little bit, I'm pretty sure one of them can avoid being banned on a forum. Besides, he was only banned for one week, as he deserved. We aren't permabanning him for a personal vendetta. Qwerty, I would like to examine a number of flaws in your statements that make them invalid. For one, the addressing you gave that our (my) conflict with BoL is said 'personal' is untrue. To me BoL is just the typical nuisance. What I'm annoyed at is that you, QwertythePie, fail to address the problem appropriately even when staff report what is going on. I'm not mad at you, I'm angered that you take what we experience in disbelief. As for your statement on how all of MY statements are nothing but insults: I believe staff members Jakebob and FoxTrotZero agreed with myself that he is nothing but a nuisance. I keep my insults minimal and only use them when a staff member doesn't act to a problem. I'm starting to wonder if you have a fondness over said user: 'BladeoftheListo', being as you tend to dislike the thoughts of banning him. Whether such hypothesis speaks truth or not, do not accuse me of actions that you have no proof of me doing so...
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Post by FoxtrotZero on Oct 24, 2009 17:45:06 GMT -5
Oi. I was going to be a little friendlier, but i don't recall anywhere stating that BoL is "Nothing but a Nuisence", as you put it. Even if thats a paraphrase, that is not my disposition.
And Trot is not to be capatalized.
I am on Qwerty's side as well. You clearly have something against BoL, and weather you realise it or not, it radiates. And its confirmed when you throw on the defence at the accusation.
I'm not trying to form a renegade against you, KO, but your posts against BoL are HEAVILY biased, and in all conversations with him i've seen, you are extremely hostile. And in chat with you, you clearly have something against him.
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Post by Qwerty on Oct 24, 2009 17:48:49 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, I know he's bad. I know he should be banned, temporarily at least. What I do not like is how you continue to talk about him as if he's been bad all the time he's been here. He used to be a fine member. The only reason he got bad in the first place was because of the ban, if you remember properly.
No, I don't have a fondness with him. He annoys me as well. I just don't take him as seriously as you seem to.
I never accused you of any "actions" that I know of. I'm just gonna quote your post at this point.
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Post by jakebob on Oct 24, 2009 18:06:56 GMT -5
Qwerty, I would like to examine a number of flaws in your statements that make them invalid. For one, the addressing you gave that our (my) conflict with BoL is said 'personal' is untrue. To me BoL is just the typical nuisance. What I'm annoyed at is that you, QwertythePie, fail to address the problem appropriately even when staff report what is going on. I'm not mad at you, I'm angered that you take what we experience in disbelief. As for your statement on how all of MY statements are nothing but insults: I believe staff members Jakebob and FoxTrotZero agreed with myself that he is nothing but a nuisance. I keep my insults minimal and only use them when a staff member doesn't act to a problem. I'm starting to wonder if you have a fondness over said user: 'BladeoftheListo', being as you tend to dislike the thoughts of banning him. Whether such hypothesis speaks truth or not, do not accuse me of actions that you have no proof of me doing so... Woah, hold on, I never agreed on anything here. I said that he was annoying, but I never said he was "nothing but a nuisance". He took it upon himself to spam my chatango account when I banned him for admitting to trolling, and once I had that account blocked, about seven more turned up and continued. There have also been threats thrown ranging from threatening to get my account deleted by people who "back him up", to bringing 4chan, /b/ or /i/ to the forum and unleashing hell. He didn't go through with them, but the fact he actually threatened to do so is proof that he was being more than a nuisance. Also note that most of the stuff that happens is on chat. Anything that happens on chat should be considered separate to things that happen on the forum, and should be punished accordingly on the chat applet and not on the forum. If he starts acting up on the forum then staff will decide what to do, but the only thing that can be done on Chatango is bans. If he was acting like he was on the chat in the Forum, then he would be in for a perma-ban, but because Chatango isn't controlled by the ODBF and instead by Chatango, it's a lot harder to actually control his banning because he can make new accounts and refresh his IP whenever he wants. I may have proven or dis-proven something in that, but basically, I think BoL is annoying, but tolerable, whereas Kurai thinks I think he is nothing but a nuisance. BoL has been unbanned on chat, and will stay that way until he does something worthy of banning on the chat. Stuff that happens on the chat should not affect them on the forum unless the action is deadly serious to a user (or users) in the forum. Anything that happens in the forum shouldn't affect the chat unless it's agreed that they aren't allowed to chat. Chat and Forums are separate.
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Post by KuraiOorora on Oct 24, 2009 18:17:35 GMT -5
I hardly even knew BladeoftheListo before he started acting like a nuisance. Yes he was a fairly well-polished member. Yes, he followed by the rules throughout his forum life. But note: so did your arch nemesis Qwerty.
And as for how I called BoL a 'typical nuisance', I didn't know how to make the term any lighter. And also, when I said members FoxtrotZero and Jakebob agreed with me, I meant we had all concluded he was indeed fairly annoying.
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Post by Qwerty on Oct 24, 2009 18:18:40 GMT -5
Looks like both of the people you said agreed do not agree. They may not agree with me, but they certainly think he is more than a nuisance.
By the way, I should say something here. Anonymous is not his personal army. no /i/nsurgents or /b/tards are coming here because he said so. He also has no clue how to do SQL injection. He's all talk, no show. He can avoid being banned, but that's about it.
The dynamic IP is the annoying bit.
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Post by FoxtrotZero on Oct 24, 2009 18:21:44 GMT -5
So i want to reiterate that at this point, KO has inappropriately paraphrased things that Me and JakeBob have made up, and its been clear, with the dispositions of us three (I could go into further detail) that KO has a definite something-or-other against BoL.
But i want to get back to the matter at hand. It is, at this point, obvious (And KO, Don't even bother to deny it unless you want to bring something new to the table). This is a Moderator Discussion and its purpose is for the discussion of member BladeOfListo.
This is not a flame, a rant, or even an arguement, and we must prevent it from becoming any further the such.
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