Baning talk cheating and hacking games in public.

[disabled]

I think we should ban the talk about cheating and hacking of games in public on the forums.
Reasons:
1) All things multiplayer related are useless. The SR Vs mode gets to who can cheat the best char or who can cheat the best char not being detected by the admin. The highscore tables on the other games become useless. (You ever wondered how I became that good in MineTower?)
2) If the word got out to the SR comments board, how easy it can be to cheat in SR, many people wouldn't ask "how can I defeat that one boss" or "where to find item x" but "OMG look how I haxx my super team".
3) IMO most people who are shown how to cheat use it too early. There is nothing wrong with trying out teams fast if you already finished the game and just try out new things. But if one is stuck early in the game and starts to cheat, one will loose interest in the game faster and move on to the next one.
4) Updates get less interesting. There is a new Weapon/Compo, you cheat it, try it, use it, thats it. If you don't cheat, you have a challenge to get the item and its more valuable to you if you got it on your own.

Having said that, I would ban talking about cheating in the open forums. I would create a sub-board only available to registered members and allow the talk there. I would call the forum something like "SR internals" and not "OMG SR haxx inside". I don't want to advertise cheating, but there are many interesting things you can do with it. I don't want it to ruin the experience for unexperienced players, but enrich it for the ones who already finished the game.


(I know I probably was one of the first to start hacking SR and talked about it, but a big part of the discussion months ago was about "omg against the law" and not about ruining the experience)

[General Veers]

I must agree wholeheartedly with you. How to hack the game should not be open to the general public and therefore ruin the fun of the challenges, but if at all, should be available only to registered users who won't use hacking as a way to avoid challenge in the game. It would be preferable that such users not be in a desperate position in the game (although that can't be verified), and as I do believe you suggested, that such users have established some sort of seniority (e.g. Dedicated Member, PowderGame Master, etc.).

[Qwerty]

I like this idea, but I do NOT like making it an SR-sub-board. People cheat in PG, too, and other people just want a place to hang out that only other members can access.

I suggest a members-only category, that newbie rank cannot access (I don't think we should limit it to extremely senior members like GV suggested, it makes the goal seem unreachable and therefore people do not dedicate to it. I know, I've been through this before.), that may have two boards: General, and Games. It can go at the bottom, above the staff board. No need to make sub-boards. All hacking discussion and anything people just don't want the general public to see can go in there. We can also let new members know about it so they have something to strive for; it helps A LOT in activity.

Anyone with me?

[disabled]

I don't want a board for "other people to hang out" and I'm not interested in talking about anything else then SR, but if thats what it takes, I'm with you.
The reason I would like to have it as a SR subboard is, I would have never found it if it was somewhere else. Besides a little PG, I have absolutely no interest in this forum and I very rarely visit the rest. And it would be another board I'd have to check for updates, which annoys me. And if you want to talk about PG cheating, you could create a PG cheating board. But again, if I'm the only one with that opinion, just create one board for everything. We could also create an omgsecretforumbadge then.

[Qwerty]

There's no point making a new category soley for SR players. It's not possible to make a members-only sub-board, either. So while we are making a members-only section, we may as well let other people use it. Believe it or not, there are people that visit the forum that don't play SR, and they would like the same rights as the SR players. If necessary, we can make separate boards in the "games" board for PG and SR. Then it can have it's own board.

A badge for unlocking the member section sounds like a good idea, though.

[disabled]

Mar 16, 2010 21:04:35 GMT -5 Qwerty said:

It's not possible to make a members-only sub-board, either.

It just not true.

So while we are making a members-only section, we may as well let other people use it. Believe it or not, there are people that visit the forum that don't play SR, and they would like the same rights as the SR players.

If they got a reason to have a private board, give it to them. Or else we can drop the idea of seperate boards of SR, PG and random stuff alltogether, then we all talk in one big forum and all have the same rights.
I wonder, you eagerly split the SR board into 3+1 sub-boards were there is absolutely no traffic in two of them. Yet you refuse to make a new one?
*edit*

A badge for unlocking the member section sounds like a good idea, though.

Yeah I knew you'd like that. Next time I'm gonna use the sarcasm tags for you...

[General Veers]

I'm horrible at identifying sarcasm that isn't enclosed in [sarcasm][/sarcasm] or <sarcasm></sarcasm> tags.

Anyhow, I imagine it wouldn't be much of a problem giving PG and SR their own private hack sub-boards. The method to hack into each game might be the same, but what and how to hack would be different for those sub-boards.

So, at what rank should the board become visible to members?

[disabled]

You only could have guessed it if you knew what I think about badges...
With the rank limit I agree with qwerty. Something like "Member" or "new member" should be enough

[Qwerty]

You see, I see nothing wrong with just making a members-only category that requires a rank of Member. Really. We already have enough sub-boards for PG and SR, and the hacking methods are very similar. You still get your own board, people still get their members-only general talk. Everyone wins. If we make sub-boards, not only will the majority of forum members not check them, but they won't have any place for general stuff.

[disabled]

I don't understand your logic, but by all means just do what you want. But you create sub-boards in the first place for organization reasons, even if they have less than 5 posts per month. Yet you argue SR interested people wouldn't look in a SR sub-board, but in a board somewhere on the main page?
And I still don't know what hacking is done on PG. A search brought up only one thread were they tried to hack bigger boxes... yeah that really makes a difference. Now that I rethink it, I wouldn't care talking about PG hacking in the public, because there is no real "challenge" in the sense that you have to earn something. At least I don't know of anything that could hurt the PG experience.
But again, do your thing and we all are happy - a little.

[Qwerty]

Disabled, you've said yourself that you only pay attention to SR. While hacking isn't as important in PG, it's still there.

Anyway, while we may have members-only sub-boards, how would we have full-member-rank-and-above sub-boards? And if we cannot, and we must make a category, why limit it to one board?

[disabled]

But what PG cheats are you talking about? Giving unlimited dots? Yeah thats really usefull and I see no reason to ban talk about that.
Ok I see the problem with the rank now. I knew limited access was possible and because of general veers I thought you could also restrict it to the rank. But if its not possible, just make it registered only, or hand out a password or just don't listen to me and make your category and make whatever subforum you want. Seriously, just don't care anymore. The time I wasted arguing in this thread is far longer than checking another forum for about a year.

[vaconcovat]

I did not know that there were any "hacks" for PG.

And I think this is a good idea.

[disabled]

I for one don't want an open discussion for reasons stated above. But I will try to stay out of this discussion, because I no longer see a point in it.

[General Veers]

Oh, but there IS a point! The point doesn't exist for PG, so hack discussions should continue to be permitted in the open. The point does exist for SR, so there indeed should be a sub-board in there if possible.

I'm not giving up your idea: it's too good not to implement...

[Qwerty]

The idea is epic. The question is whether or not we can make it an SR sub-board or if Proboards only lets us do it in another category.

[dagamer]

Next person to post fails! *trollface.jpg*
I reckon this is a good idea. Lets do it.

[Qwerty]

I'll go make it, underneath the General category. I think three boards should do as a start.

[disabled]

Yay nice! Don't forget to move the already done threads there...

[Qwerty]

Indeed I shall, but any requests on which to move?