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Post by ~Memzak~ on Dec 28, 2008 6:40:05 GMT -5
oh I thought you were talking about the pic...
my bad...
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Post by miczu on Dec 28, 2008 15:41:11 GMT -5
While working with data compression in tubes ( for example 5 dot tube can transfer in the same time up to 11 laser beams in straight line), but more important i have split some laser into an extra beam! Without clone, fireworks, wheel etc. pure laser and metal 0030000000100*02102*01*03*06*05*01w00q00004000v00u01u0B*0200Du0F00Cv0E10E00Ku0J*0Hv0Lu0G*0Bv0Q00N10M*0Pu0O*0Su0X00I10V*0Y10b00au0R00e00Uu0fv0T*0W10dv0j*0cu0iu0Zv0m00g*0ku0o10lu0pu0v10u10xu0tu0z00h00**0s010*0n01200r*13*11*17*16*1901501Bv0qv1Du0wu0.*1801Cu1F014v1E10y01Ku1J*1Hv1Lu1G*1Av1Q01N11M*1Pu1O*1Su1X01I11V*1Y11b01au1R01e01Uu1fv1T*1W11dv1j*1cu1iu1Zv1Tu00.00T0Bz1s000n0D10Mr00z1uw1ut1uz1un1wu0Br1yT0Bw1.T00o0Bx1so0Bn21000r23o0Bu2800ET27T0Bo2As2302F00DT2602Lo2Hv0Js2C000s2Ew1uv1up2At2Js1ux2Et2Ep2Vz2Eq2Ey2500Av0Ju2Jq1*T2Mr2bv0Jm00y1ur20n1uq1u.2mT22v2ky2q01vn2oT0B.2tr2Am2lT2Mp2En1vT0Bq2pT22T2r10Mn2z000p1uo3000AT2wT3302Bv0Jn36p38n2v01rT3Cr2An3FT2Hn3H.2xv3Ey2UT3MT31T3B02BT34u29y3Q026n3NT3Jv3PT0Bp3GT3S03I03U03D135y3Xo39q3203gr3Ky3jn3Z03mv3b037T3R03A03fr2mv3rp3d03u.3O13iT3cT3tq3lr3w13*03s03YT3e.3.u3WT4004603zT3a144p3yq42T3V01vy3oT47T4Du49045o3kT3Tr43u4Mp4FT4PT4Hn3L04Bq4G03hu4RT41T4T04Y04IT4Ao4O03vT4Uy4J04C03q14ET4a04g04cn4Vo4f.4804d04Nn3pr4Q04sp4S04nr3nT4en4uT4hT4.T4K04ku4Z04WT4br4z04tT52r4vn4pn4*04oy3Xn30o3So0By2Er2j14l02uT0Bs1uy2dq57p1um5F02RT2Mw2YT2.v3xT0Bm39u1zT0ST3cv2sT2.T2M.2Eu5fT2Mv2Eo2yy2t.5Z02Kx38v0Ox5IT2Mz5lt2Ex2*v5oT0Bt5Qo2h01vv5u000t5wT1tT29v1pu6210Mm2lX2MX0BX2M*00X37069o67p0SX0A069p67q2O10Vx1sv60y5vT0Hn2A*1ku1o11lu63u6Pu6S01h06U*6O06V*1n06X01g*6W*6b*6Y*6c06a*6d*6g06f06iv1m06ju6R06Zv6kv6ou6m*6ev6p16Q16tu6T*6ru6q*6hv6su6v*6yu6x06l16u06nu70v6z073172*6w177*6*179071u6.07C076u7Dv1L*0710417J*7Iw0A0dO5
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Post by noodlesoup on Dec 28, 2008 21:32:47 GMT -5
I would like to see that, but my java doesn't work at the moment, so I'll have to wait. D:
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Post by miczu on Dec 29, 2008 12:05:53 GMT -5
This is my beta laser multiplicator.
0030000000100*02102*01*03*06*05*01w00q0000Au00T0Bu0D000u0GT0ET0Es01u0Bp0H000w0Fs0Mw0Ft00s0K004000v0G10G00Tv0Vu0B*0200Uu0S*0av0Y00Xu0c*0Bv0e*0du0g00b10W*0j10m*0hu0kv0i*0p10o00lu0Z*0su0v00u00f10tv0r00y*0nu0xv0*v13u0qu1510.u16u12u1800zu1911711Du1Cu1F01B01H*1101I*0w01K010*1L*1J*1P*1O*1R01N01Tv1411E01Mv1Vu1G*1Q01Uu1A*1av1Y01Xu1c*1Sv1e*1du1g01b11W*1j11m*1hu1kv1i*1p11o01lu1Z*1su1v01u01f11tv1r01y*1nu1xv1*v23u1qu2511.u26u22u2801zu2912712Du2Cu2F02B02H*2102I*1w000o0Ho0BT0WT2M00CT2QT2Po0Bs0R10Wo0My0Fq2XT2Us0So2Z02R000y0Os2bu0Fy2Yu2hT2a12Wu0Fp0Ds0LT0Bq0Mp0Dr2pT2ku0Bo2qT2s000p2iT2o02xT2ws2Vu2uu2mT2wp2y02.035q2f12lT2zq3202dp3Aq37u31T39T39u3Ap2YT2t02Mu3CT3GT2zp3I00Rs2gT3F036u3HT2*s3Q036T3M035p3Os3003KT3Rp34p3L03P13802.s3Xp2r00AT3Jo2cq2cs3ao3mu2j03fu3E02eT2pu3qs3ou0Do2Ou2Oo3uT2Su3z03r02K00yu00t3x000m0UT2Qy4410Wv44X0Bn0UX0By49u2G*1Jy44T2Qm47o0Et2A*2J*2Jy0RT4Jv45u0ez0RX4Cv00X0Eu4M*1Lm4Io0Bm4K00C12E042v2410mr45m4br0U10Wm4T000n4D000r4ju4G*1Lp4Po4av45n4p04eu4X01yo4oT4QT2Qo0N10Wp4oX4UX2uw4xv0es4zo4tT2Q.4v*4N*2L*5B00yr3ko58o0Zw0Ss0AX53002w55u0Sv5F046v45x50u4q020*5C*1Lu2.o5G02ex5Np4V04mv5ay00x5M10Wy5W05PT2Qu5d14d*5Dv4fu5Sv5m04w15k*5U05T05sv5o*5lu5eu1xu4mT2Q*3a*5Dz5y05ds0kr60t0Fx5.*0Br60p4F04en45.6505tu0Sp0M*0GX2O02Mt6Du0Fw2mu45T0Bw0Qs0Sq0Mo3jo0Qu0Fo6QT0Bt3az0Mn4700Gs1As0Hs4Eu2n00Ns5w01Hn4nn4nq3an4bm4bp2V*0710416n*6mw0A0eG5
I got a idea to make it like 6,8 time smaller :>
PS. Update the big ones are betas and the small one is 4 way laser multiplicator.
PS. the big ones are still more powerful xd
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Post by Sandmaster on Dec 29, 2008 14:54:19 GMT -5
Thats really neat!!
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Post by miczu on Dec 29, 2008 17:41:49 GMT -5
0030000000100*02102*01*03*06*05*01w00q00004000x00o00T00y0A00En01u0B*02000z0EX0BX0O000X0PX0R00Q00TX0SX0V00U00XX0WX0Z00Y00bX0Bo00n0F100u0K*0Bt0gX0fu0h00gu0k00Cv0g10g00ou0J00r10q*0Lv0pu0lv0w00tu0xu0s*0vu0**0Bv0y*1010u*12u11000v13*16115018u17v1901C11Bv1Ev1Hu1Du1J11Gu1Ku0.11L11Ou1Nu1Q00z01S*14u1R*1U01T*1Au1V*1Y01X01Fu1Z01c01bv1I11P01fu1M01i11h*1W*1m*1a*1n01e*1pv1gu1dv1s01ku1tu1j*1ru1x*1o*1.01q*1*v1u*1y11l*21u1z020027v22*25124028u26v2902C12Bv2Ev2Hu2Du2J12Gu2Ku1w12L12Ou2Nu2Q01v02S*23u2R*2U02T*2Au2V*2Y02X02Fu2Z02c02bv2I12P02fu2M02i12h*2W*2m*2a*2n02e*2pv2gu2dv2s02ku2tu2j*2ru2x*2o*2.02q*2*v2u*2y12l*31u2z030037v32*0Kt0Tv17*00t3B11B*3DX1213Ft3Eu0l.3Go3Hu3Kt0Qo3M00C.3L01811B.3Rv17.3U13Tt3O03Su3NX0E03Z03Qt3Yv3Vt3e13XX3bv3fX3i13ho3P*0L.3Wu3ao3m*0B.3o03dX3ku3p03c*3nt3gu3vv3jo3q000.3s*3xX3u03to3*.41*3rt3y04403w*47X43*42o45t48*4D04A040t4F*4B000w3j04L13h04Nu3a04P03t04R*33u2w134038u36v3904X14Wv2g*0710414e*4dw0A0lO0
Quite unexpected outcome...
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Post by Sandmaster on Dec 29, 2008 19:07:36 GMT -5
Sorry, I'm unable to play right now. What is the outcome of which you speak?
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Post by miczu on Dec 30, 2008 11:20:13 GMT -5
0030000000100*02102*01*03*06*05*01w00q00004000x00o00T00y0A00En01u0B*02000z0EX0BX0O000X0PX0R00Q00TX0SX0V00U00XX0WX0Z00Y00bX0Bp00n0J00Cv00u0f*0Lv0h10h00gu0i*0Bv0ku0K*0ou0n000v0p00m10l*0ju0sv0u*0x10w*0r10*00tu0yu13111v0z*10u0q012115u14u18v16019u1Cu1B00vu1F11A11Ju1Iu1L01H01N*0.u1M*1P01O*1701S01E01Uv1Dv1Xu1G*1R*1a*1T*1b01V*1dv1Y11K01Wu1Z*1c*1k01e*1lv1gu1Q*0Bt0hT0B111s0hX0F00st1r01j01m01zv1o01i11h*1fu1yv1**22121*1nu23u2812601.u29u1p02B12Av24*2712Fu2C020u2Dv2G02Eu2Lu2J*25u2O12I12Su2Ru2U02K02W*2Q02X*2Hu2V*2Y*2c*2a02Z02N02fv2Mv2iu2P*2e*2d02g*2mv2j12T02hu2k02n*2l*2u02t02wv2pu2b*2vv2y02r12q*2ou2sv2**32131*2.u33u3813602xu39u2z03B13Av34*3713Fu3C030u3Dv3G03Eu3Lu3J*35u3O13I13Su3Ru3U03K020*0710413Z*3Yw0A0bC3
Here we see, that laser has a 'golden' spot on it. When a back of other laser beam cross it, then its possible to split it in half. But with random laser speed it will be hard to use it in practice...
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Post by I wuv M4( Satar Jaèoèdoæ) on Dec 30, 2008 18:07:17 GMT -5
Can someone please make a guide to eletronics?
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Post by noodlesoup on Dec 30, 2008 20:00:17 GMT -5
Well, before I get too deep into making it, sure, TGC.
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Post by artanis on Dec 31, 2008 5:22:24 GMT -5
Memory using thunder to store value (uses laser splitter concept to stop laser.)
One thunder input puts a current circulating in the square portion, causing the laser to bounce off at a 90 degree angle. The other thunder input runs a counter current, which clears the bit, causing the laser to bounce at a 135 degree angle (and right into torch.)
The last input is, of course, a laser read, and the structure outputs the full read beam on true, and noting on false.
Unfortunately, it depends on the way thunder paths through air to clear the bit, like thunder AND, so only bits in certain areas can actually work. You can see this in the code below, the first one works (luck in placement,) while the second two "set false" inputs actually set the bit to true.
On the other hand, it is quite small, and much more reliable in continuous read situations, assuming you only need a few and can place them in locations where they work.
If anyone with more experience with thunder knows how to run thunder counter-current in the manner needed to clear the bit without using open air pathing (so it can work anywhere,) breaking the storage area, or allowing either input to backtrack up the other, feel free to modify.
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Post by miczu on Dec 31, 2008 6:00:06 GMT -5
Really neat memory with 2 bad sides: - as you said using air as conductor - we don't have yet any laser to thunder / thunder to laser transformer. So we will not be able to make a dynamic system that will use memory to save last results of its work cykle...
Hope we will see my element soon - it will be really good this kind of transformer (for thunder to laser 2 dots and laser to thunder something like 4 dots [don't count output wires and blocks).
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Post by theultamate on Dec 31, 2008 6:14:04 GMT -5
indeed
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Post by Sandmaster on Dec 31, 2008 12:48:35 GMT -5
Stop that.
I think a laser-thunder transformer will need some C4 and some stone. I could try to do it, but it probably won't work too well
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Post by miczu on Dec 31, 2008 17:56:50 GMT -5
Here we got almost a AND gate: A|B|OUT ----------- 1|1|0 1|0|1 0|1|0 0|0|0 If we will negate the B input (NOT B) then we have: A|NB|OUT ----------- 1| 0 |0 1| 1 |1 0| 0 |0 0| 1 |0 So we have AND gate with unwanted B input negation...
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Post by artanis on Jan 1, 2009 1:34:26 GMT -5
Here we got almost a AND gate: Looks more like a NOT than an AND. Leave A constant and B as the input, when B is present (true) the result is false, and when B is not present (false) A goes through and the result is true.
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Post by miczu on Jan 1, 2009 6:11:47 GMT -5
Hmm... I think the NOT gate usage will be more useful then almost AND xD Good observation artanis
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Post by theultamate on Jan 1, 2009 6:47:46 GMT -5
i agree
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Post by noodlesoup on Jan 1, 2009 6:57:51 GMT -5
You agree that the NOT gate usage will almost be more useful then the AND? Hmm... I forgot. What do NOT gates and AND gates do again, ultamate?
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Post by artanis on Jan 1, 2009 23:47:02 GMT -5
Making it longer increases accuracy - more bounces means more chances to block.
Also, widened it so that two lasers can be lined up for input more easily. Putting two lasers next to each other is kinda hard.
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