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Post by Sandmaster on Mar 12, 2009 17:02:26 GMT -5
therefore light is relative.
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Post by Qwerty on Mar 12, 2009 18:08:28 GMT -5
Go here to continue the speed of light debate. Anyhow, no one who believes in creationism has provided much evidence that it exists, simple their own beliefs. Again, using the Greek mythology example, people then believed that Gaea and Uranus made the Earth just as strongly as anyone who believes in creationism today. For that matter, we have exactly as much evidence to prove both: none. Anyone who tries to prove creationism may as well try to prove the Greek gods exist. Whenever science proves the church wrong without a doubt, the church just modifies it's beliefs to fit. Over the ages, Christianity has changed so it is nothing like what it was long ago. We know that the Earth isn't the center of the universe, for example. This contradicts the religion of the time, but it is undeniable that it isn't the center. I'm not too good at this "debating" thing...
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Post by General Veers on Mar 12, 2009 22:20:17 GMT -5
How ironic: the Roman Catholic Church evolved over time in order to remain "correct."
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Post by Qwerty on Mar 12, 2009 22:58:04 GMT -5
Exactly my point.
If religion has to change every time it is proven wrong, then it is obviously wrong itself. That extends to creationism.
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Post by The Dark Master on Mar 13, 2009 3:06:30 GMT -5
Yup. Maybe religion started out as next to nothing, then it built up every time someone had a question or got a brilliant idea.
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Post by GrandEnder on Mar 13, 2009 6:27:51 GMT -5
Crevolutionism
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Post by The Dark Master on Mar 13, 2009 16:20:38 GMT -5
.....Which is a theory that God created evolution? Or the other way round.....
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Post by Qwerty on Mar 13, 2009 21:03:40 GMT -5
Er... any way to elaborate on that?
Glad I haven't been totally shot down yet...
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Post by The Dark Master on Mar 14, 2009 9:42:34 GMT -5
*shoots down* Dont speak too soon. If god DID create evolution, what would be the point? couldnt he just build the stuff he wanted?
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Post by Qwerty on Mar 14, 2009 10:08:22 GMT -5
Why does God do anything the way he does?
Rhetorical question... don't answer...
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Post by The Dark Master on Mar 14, 2009 11:57:03 GMT -5
He doesnt do anything, it doesnt exist. Is it possible to speed up evolution?
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Post by jakebob on Mar 14, 2009 12:05:29 GMT -5
The only way would be to put whatever you want "evolved" put in a chamber with others of its kind, somehow speed up time in that chamber, and see what happens. Red Dwarf showed that a pregnant cat being sealed in the supply hold of a six-mile-long mining vessel for 3 million years would end up creating Felis Sapiens (a human with the tendencies and features of a cat). It was a cult sci-fi show that's getting new episodes in April[/shamelessplug], but it showed that time's a HUGE factor in evolution, as is location (a great deal of the supplies were locked up and had to be opened with a crank or handle of some sort in the book)
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Post by General Veers on Mar 14, 2009 12:05:45 GMT -5
Assuming that we can speed up the time it takes to get from birth to reproduction (and the amount of time it takes for a zygote to mature into a full organism), then yes.
Bacteria naturally have relatively short lifespans, so there are more generations within a given time than we have within a given time. The more generations there are, the higher the chances that naturally-occurring mutations will take place. The higher the chances of natural mutations, the higher the chances of mutations of children of the resulting mutated organisms. The higher the chances of compounded mutation (mutation of a mutation of a mutation etc. of an organism), the higher the chances of a different species altogether.
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Post by The Dark Master on Mar 14, 2009 13:28:42 GMT -5
J-bob, i know all about red dwarf, its funny. NB, cant we artificially create a cell mutation and see what happens?
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Post by General Veers on Mar 14, 2009 14:17:30 GMT -5
Then it wouldn't be natural selection, and the resulting evolution would be artificial...
Yes, we could, but we would have to create the mutation during meiosis so that the entire organism's genetic map will include the mutation. For instance, if we couldn't wait for something to be resistant to cyanide, we would just create the mutation that instruct the cell to create enzymes that would aid in safe digestion of cyanide. The problem is, how do we know what to do to the cell to get it to create such enzymes? How do we make the desired mutation?
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Post by Qwerty on Mar 15, 2009 1:37:21 GMT -5
Any method of accelerating evolution would be artificial... no matter what method is used.
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Post by General Veers on Mar 15, 2009 1:41:16 GMT -5
Darn, that's a good point...
I guess you have to study organic microbes (viruses are inorganic) to study "rapid" evolution...
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Post by Qwerty on Mar 15, 2009 1:52:45 GMT -5
They do evolve pretty rapidly...
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Post by General Veers on Mar 15, 2009 2:02:29 GMT -5
Relative to humans, who have more time in between birth and the reproductive event...
Relative to microbes, it might be standard time length...who knows?
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Post by The Dark Master on Mar 15, 2009 4:36:55 GMT -5
If microbes evolve so fast relative to humans, then why are they still microbes?They've been aroud longer than mammals...
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