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Post by General Veers on Jan 24, 2009 20:59:26 GMT -5
To start with, there are infinite possibilitys where god could have come in and done something without literally creating us. Thats something i want to say. Agreed Another fact i want to put out. Its the Koran, not the Quarran : P There are several spellings for the Islamic religious text, two which include "Koran" and "Qur'an." Everything, can be explained in science, and science breaks down to math, and math, is absolute. And yet, science is never absolute, only relative. Ironic that something relative comes from something absolute. In the known world, math means everything. For example, water is H20 (2 should be subscript). Add an Oxygen atom (addition is mathematical) and you have H202 (2s are subscript) which is not water, but Hydrogen Peroxide. Hydrogen Peroxide is poisonous, and one oxygen atom makes the difference between the basis for life and our death. Math only seems to mean everything to humans in this world, if there are any others. It would be better to say that we can use mathematics to describe and explain the world around us. Math not only applies to chemistry, but to physics, engineering (based off physics and imagination), and many other applications and sciences. (For future reference, ['sup][/sup] make superscripts and ['sub][/sub] make subscripts). Naturally, after the leading theory of the Big Bang, Atoms formed Molecules which formed Structures. This started with land masses and stars, and on planets habitable at the time (when conditions became probable) Single-Celled Organisims were made. These were likely Prokaryotic - not having a nucleus. The Big Bang isn't satisfactory for me as a "creation" theory: where did that preliminary matter come from to begin with? Cells survive, and go through Mitosis - Cells grow, split (mitosis), and two smaller daughter cells are left. It is through Mitosis that cells change - Mitosis might not be perfect in a mix-up of Chromatids and a new cell is formed, and it repeats when those chromatids make chromosomes and duplicate again. Thats how it works, and if it werent such we would not exist. Don't forget about meiosis. That's important for sexually productive organisms, the ones that have genders. We humans would not exist without meiosis and mitosis together. Meiosis explains the creation of two sex cells while mitosis explains the duplication of another cell. I cannot be sure how it happened that multi celled organisims came to be. According to one theory, some simple cells (mitochondria, for instance) began living in other cells, which is how the complex animal and plant cells we have come to know and love came to have organelles that rely on other organelles to compose a single cell. Of course, that explains one cell. The basic idea of interdependence amongst separate entities to carry out a specific purpose can probably be applied to the creation of multicellular organisms: groups of cells that managed to cooperate and reproduce as a cooperative group were favored through natural selection, and so are abundant. Granted, many independent cells could reproduce and live to do so, and therefore natural selection permitted the continued existence of single-celled organisms. It is worth noting - next time you have breakfast. That egg you just cracked is one of THE largest single sell organisims that exists. Not unless you eat ostrich eggs for breakfast...
The antimatter has automatically reacted to the infinite amount of matter surrounding it. There is a FINITE amount of matter. *Assuming a deity such as God isn't creating any.There is a FINITE amount of matter and a FINITE amount of energy. Mechanical energy can become heat energy, chemical energy can become mechanical energy, and so on, but no energy can be created. Einstein says that energy can become matter and vice versa, but nothing can truly be created without having come from something else. As a matter of fact, I read in a calculus textbook that there are approximately 10 79 atoms in the entire universe. Of course, you can probably imagine the cosmic tolerance that comes along with that value... Space, naturally being the lack of anything, is infinite. Matter and energy are not.
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Post by Sandmaster on Jan 24, 2009 23:07:11 GMT -5
Really? Take a meter of perfectly solid matter. Now divide that chunk of matter so that the meter is now 50 centimeters. Continue dividing by two until it cannot get smaller. Is that possible, to reach the point of impossibility?
Already you have shown that there are an infinite amount of inf.-sub particles. Why for any reason would you say that there are a finite amount of matter as well?
Not to mention that the Big Bang was finite, but if matter was infinite, there would be matter beyond the crater of some small explosion somewhere off in space. There would be other matter, other objects, other life forms (statistically speaking, if there are an infinite amount of matter, there are infinite combinations of matter, therefore there should be at least infinity forms of life). This completely fills all the holes in the entire creation theory and therefore does not require an entity (god) to contradict it while at the same time proving it.
I had a very good (as in better explained) proof for this, but I don't recall where I put it.
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Post by General Veers on Jan 24, 2009 23:18:35 GMT -5
I think I see what you are saying about the building block of building block of building block etc. postulate...
...and how does that "completely fill all the holes in the entire creation theory"? Could you remind me of the exact Big Bang Theory? I need to analyze it for something...
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Post by Sandmaster on Jan 25, 2009 11:29:19 GMT -5
well, the so called 'popular belief' is that there was nothing and then everything formed including the laws of physics, but I believe that that is complete bulls***. I believe everything was already there, as in space was full of matter, and whatever the big bang originally was was like one of our black holes; a dense ball of matter, so dense that the slightest reaction created so much friction that the heat caused the object to expand, creatying movement, and therefore more heat, and therefore expansion, etc.
and the rest is pretty much true; atoms were formed, galaxies were constructed, etc.
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Post by General Veers on Jan 25, 2009 13:56:54 GMT -5
So technically, what you believe is that there is no such thing as ANY form of creation, just expansion and rearrangement...
That would explain why I can't find anything about true creation in the Big Bang Theory, and only in most religions, such as my own.
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Post by Sandmaster on Jan 25, 2009 13:58:00 GMT -5
There are many holes filled with this theory, which is actually based on a separate ideology. Only problem is that every problem we currently have is removed and replaced by one single question I cannot answer.
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Post by The Dark Master on Feb 7, 2009 17:40:59 GMT -5
Theory of the bing bang? Remember, we only do guesswork. MY theory is that 2 things reacted against each other, and exploded, hence the big bang. Matter cannot be created, so i think tha the universe kept on getting thinner so it can expand, like water when dropped on the floor. During this, gravity gets thinner and thinner when it tightens. Thats my theory.
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Post by General Veers on Feb 7, 2009 18:21:44 GMT -5
MY theory is that 2 things reacted against each other... My point as to why the Big Bang theory (well, your version of it, anyhow) cannot be used as a true creation explanation: it assumes things existed beforehand. That is why one should assume either that a deity created matter or that matter always existed.
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Post by Sandmaster on Feb 7, 2009 21:09:30 GMT -5
BIG BANG:
An extremely dense object (like SERIOUSLY dense) absorbs matter at high speeds. The slightest movement in this object will cause tremendous friction. Friction causes heat, which causes expansion.
Apparently, the object was so dense that the movement causing expansion created enough movement to trigger further friction and expansion, hence the explosion.
The matter was always there, and I believe there is matter beyond the 'shell' of the explosion.
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Post by The Dark Master on Feb 9, 2009 15:26:45 GMT -5
Hm...... but what is it expanding into? No matter how much we debate about it, we haven't a clue.
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Post by General Veers on Feb 9, 2009 15:39:08 GMT -5
The universe as it is now.
All things naturally want to obtain a state of equilibrium. Electrons will flow to areas of net positive charge (seek zero net charge). Crowds will seek space (zero net difference in population). Objects want to maintain inertia rather than have energy applied to or removed from them (zero net energy).
Zero is the magic number.
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Post by Sandmaster on Feb 9, 2009 19:11:17 GMT -5
I love 0. I use it everywhere. Especially since it's counterpart is infinity
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Post by General Veers on Feb 9, 2009 19:48:49 GMT -5
limitxinfinityx-1=0
limitxinfinityx does not exist (infinity: no single, concrete value is approached as x goes to infinity)
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Post by The Dark Master on Feb 10, 2009 9:44:56 GMT -5
the universe cannot, or never will be infinite. it is always a size, a shape. it's just growing bigger. The thing its expanding into could be infinite.
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Post by Sandmaster on Feb 10, 2009 16:49:57 GMT -5
That is called SPACE, and statistics show that there is matter beyond the universe.
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Post by General Veers on Feb 10, 2009 17:39:56 GMT -5
According to the definition of a universe (totality of all things existent and conceived), that matter would be part of the universe. There cannot be matter or masses of any kind outside of the universe.
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Post by Sandmaster on Feb 10, 2009 17:41:28 GMT -5
Therefore the universe is infinite
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Post by General Veers on Feb 10, 2009 18:10:48 GMT -5
If it continues to expand and if matter is infinite, then yes. Both conditions have already been discussed and agreed upon.
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Post by Sandmaster on Feb 10, 2009 20:10:30 GMT -5
Therefore my point was valid
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Post by The Dark Master on Feb 11, 2009 14:08:53 GMT -5
Erm..... If they say the universe is infinite, and there cannot be matter outside it, scientists say that it is expanding into something, which WASN'T part of the universe. It had to grow into something. That something can never be part of the universe. the meaning of 'universe' condracts itself because it says everything is part of the universe, but they know there is something else that is definetly not.
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