Ant, Solid or Liquid?

darkraine Guest	Ant, Solid or Liquid? Jan 7, 2009 17:32:58 GMT -5 Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by darkraine on Jan 7, 2009 17:32:58 GMT -5 Although living liquids do exist, judging by ant's properties, it would be classified as a living solid/powder now that we established that, shouldn't this topic be locked or something?

Sandmaster *Forum Legend* {S=4}[M:-9148] Stupid people arguing on the internet is entertaining. Posts: 5,005	Ant, Solid or Liquid? Jan 8, 2009 21:42:10 GMT -5 Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Sandmaster on Jan 8, 2009 21:42:10 GMT -5 No, because those guys at the wiki don't accept the TRUTH
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secret Supreme Member {S=10}Element keeper[M:0] Quantum mechanics... Posts: 339	Ant, Solid or Liquid? Jan 10, 2009 1:50:17 GMT -5 Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by secret on Jan 10, 2009 1:50:17 GMT -5 Well.... They should accept it Cause this is the truth If they don't I'll give the defination [hover=Ant can support objects and other elements, while liquids cannot, so Ant is a powder, not a liquid](hover please)[/hover]

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Ant, Solid or Liquid? Jan 10, 2009 6:59:44 GMT -5

Post by me2 on Jan 10, 2009 6:59:44 GMT -5

What???

First: The wiki is saying "its a living powder" (see article States of matter). (article States of matter). But on the other hand article "ant" is still saying it's liquid, but nobody has ever tried to change it there or started a discussion about it. And in particular nobody has ever tried to prevented that somebody else can change this!

But the wrong information in ant is a general problem of the Powder Game articles in the wiki. A lot of them are in some parts tendentious, incomplete or sometimes wrong, because we have to few active authors for the Powder Game part. Btw: If some of you like to help you are welcome!

But I think sandmaster is probably worried about an very old and unfinished draft of me, which I started at the beginning of december, where I quickly classified ant as a liquid. But I already admitted that this was wrong, and there is even a post here in this thread on the first page, where I'm telling why uncharged ant is no liquid. I wasn't able to finish my draft, because I didn't have the time, but thats no problem, because the draft is only on a discussion page and not in the articles. But when Sandmaster completly changed my draft (instead of making an own draft), I reverted his edit because I think most of his changes were wrong. And I even told him: "If you start from reality nearly ever single of your edits (except for the uncharged ant) is wrong, ...". So I really don't know why he is still worried about the ant ... (Please note: We are still talking only about drafts, and not about the Wiki itself.)

The main reason for me creating a draft for different classification was that some things are pretty wrong in my eyes: Somebody introduced the completly artificial term "Wood Solids" which has completly lost every relevance to reality. Second, steam was classified as a "Wood solid" (Hello!?! Steam? Solid? It even doesn't behave in PG like one). And third thing is that neither laser nor thunder (or electricity) is in reality a plasma. True is, both of them can be made visible using a plasma, but also a plasma is not the only way of making them visible. Look it up in Wikipedia, if you don't believe! These things are the main issue for me, and not the ant.

So I really don't get why Sandmaster is claiming, somebody doesn't accept the truth, in respect to the ant.

Sandmaster: PLEASE don't worry about the draft! First, it's a only draft, a sketch, a concept which was planned as a suggestion! And second, it is unfinished. When I have time I will finish it, and I will show it to all of you, and let you decide before I include it into the article, of course. This always was the reason why I started this thing. In the meantime, nobody prevents you from changing any article, fixing information, inventing and suggesting an own draft or doing whatever you want. And nobody requested that you have to wait until I finished my draft.
Please don't make things more complicated than they are!

/me

secret Supreme Member {S=10}Element keeper[M:0] Quantum mechanics... Posts: 339	Ant, Solid or Liquid? Jan 10, 2009 7:24:54 GMT -5 Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by secret on Jan 10, 2009 7:24:54 GMT -5 Mind helping me to check my pg state of matter and classfication, me2? Cause I'd like to know whether I got it wrong or anything

me2 Supreme Member {S=0}[M:1980] Posts: 335	Ant, Solid or Liquid? Jan 10, 2009 9:51:17 GMT -5 Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by me2 on Jan 10, 2009 9:51:17 GMT -5 I am glad you want to help. We are happy about any help we can get! /me

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Ant, Solid or Liquid? Jan 10, 2009 13:42:48 GMT -5

Post by me2 on Jan 10, 2009 13:42:48 GMT -5

Jan 10, 2009 12:36:28 GMT -5 Sandmaster said:

SUPERBALL IS NOT A LIVING POWDER!!!

Yes, this is also a thing which I didn't like, and which made me starting my draft. Superball doesn't live.
In case you don't remember: You are the one who came up with this strange idea and who included it into the wiki (see Revision as of 20:52, 3 December 2008 (compared with last revision)), and therefore I'm glad you finally agree.

/me

PS: Actually the original idea of my draft was to completely forget about this state of matter definition based on movement. Take a look into the real live (and compare the definitions in Wikipedia). The definitions of "solid" and "liquid" are not based on movement, they are more based on "resistance to deformation".

Cite: "A solid object is in the states of matter characterized by resistance to deformation and changes of volume"
Cite: "A liquid is a fluid that has the particles loose and can freely form a distinct surface at the boundaries of its bulk material."

Last Edit: Jan 10, 2009 14:13:23 GMT -5 by me2

Qwerty333 Forum King {S=3}[M:3197] Posts: 1,636	Ant, Solid or Liquid? Jan 10, 2009 14:23:07 GMT -5 Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Qwerty333 on Jan 10, 2009 14:23:07 GMT -5 Well, I really don't know...
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Ant, Solid or Liquid? Jan 10, 2009 15:03:45 GMT -5

Post by Sandmaster on Jan 10, 2009 15:03:45 GMT -5

Well, deformation is caused b movement, which is the closest thing we got. I like it because all of the exceptions are becoming separate categories (plasma)

P.S.: 'Charged Ant' is aplasma. I define plasma as an object with a set pattern of movement regardless of nonchemical reactions.

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Ant, Solid or Liquid? Jan 14, 2009 9:27:19 GMT -5

Post by ~Memzak~ on Jan 14, 2009 9:27:19 GMT -5

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It is a moving powder....

but it is classified as a living powder (it is the only current element in this group)

but with the bacteria request taht could change....

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Ant, Solid or Liquid? Jan 18, 2009 0:29:43 GMT -5

Post by secret on Jan 18, 2009 0:29:43 GMT -5

According to my PG states of matter classification:

b) Stationary drag-able solids: Same as stationary non drag-able solids, except it can be Drag. DOES NOT RESPOND TO WIND/AIR (e.g. Wood/Tree, Calcite)

AKA: Wood Solids in dan ball wiki

d) Living powders: Powders with complex movements (e.g. Ant (Both charged and uncharged), Spider, Bacteria)

Ant can NEVER be a liquid since it can support objects AND elements

5.Particles:

Defination: Does not respond to gravity and behave like stationary solids when no force is appiled but moves when forces (Air/Wind, Magnetism etc. except gravity) is applied. Can be Drag and can support objects and/or other substances
Sub categories:
a) Disappearing particles: Disappears after a short time. (e.g. Steam/Suds)
b) Permanent particles: Does not disappear (e.g. Strangelets, Pulse)

So Steam/Suds is a particle according to my classfication

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Ant, Solid or Liquid? Jan 23, 2009 5:34:57 GMT -5

Post by secret on Jan 23, 2009 5:34:57 GMT -5

(PG state of matter classfication----X Imaginary element version)

Steam is a particle

Defination: Does not respond to gravity and behave like stationary solids when no force is appiled but moves when forces (Air/Wind, Magnetism etc. except gravity) is applied. Can be Drag and can support objects and/or other substances

Wood is not in the same classfication as Steam since it....

DOES NOT RESPOND TO WIND/AIR.

Well did I need to explain Ant again??

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darkraine Guest	Ant, Solid or Liquid? Jan 26, 2009 17:21:18 GMT -5 Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by darkraine on Jan 26, 2009 17:21:18 GMT -5 But steam does respond to wind/air . . . but its weird because wood responds to explosions, but not pen-9 air . . . no matter how concentrated

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Qwerty333 Forum King {S=3}[M:3197] Posts: 1,636	Ant, Solid or Liquid? Feb 7, 2009 20:17:50 GMT -5 Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Qwerty333 on Feb 7, 2009 20:17:50 GMT -5 If ant was a powder, it would build up. Like this: Not flow, like this:
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