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Post by miczu on Mar 24, 2009 3:03:41 GMT -5
I think, i dit. But it's still pretty nice. But I don't think we have laser (or thunder) based ant release - so it's only for player to use (much useless for electronic), and ant is make it quite problematic - we never know when ant will burn, and it's only 1 time use with single beam. So if we have to make it manually and we get only 1 beam, so why don't we do it by potting laser?
Try to make it that 1 ant could release multiple storage device - then it could be quite even better.
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Post by FlamingAero on Mar 24, 2009 6:11:48 GMT -5
hmm i never thought of that ill try that later but you dont even need the second device just take out the larger one and use the first one its smaller and uses one ant the other one is a diffrent device that shows you can imput laser and then store and release it which also would use one ant
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Post by miczu on Mar 24, 2009 14:46:39 GMT -5
Aerodude then try to make a storage device with more then 1 ant input - so you could make multiple choices where send the beam
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Post by noodlesoup on Mar 29, 2009 18:11:42 GMT -5
0030000000000*02002*01*03*06*05*0800400A*0700B*09*0C*0F*0E*0H00D00J*0G00K*0I*0L*0O*0N*0Q00M00S*0P00T*0R*0U*0X*0W*0Z00V00b*0Y00c*0a*0d*0g*0f*0i00e00k*0h00l*0j*0m*0p*0o*0r00n00t*0q00ky00t00T00x09x0xT00y09m00v0y00A.00u0yt09w15T0x000.00q13*03x00p1600zq13o1C*01x1ET1EO0yp1Jq1HT0.p1MJ1M01GT01o1I00zp1MH1Rx1BT1TT1PT1E01Rv1Yr0021Uw1Kp01T1bv1Y013T00H1Ux1Ko1ho01w1jT1bT1ao1h01S01K01mp0yo1tx1jp1k00Ax1n013x1zT1b*1Dp1x021q1Oo09z20T01r13q1O01jo2BT1Z01ju00o2700Az29000r2E02HT01q2Cq2PT17s25T2AT1Bo09q00s25o0yq01s0y*00n2Vs2Y01d01Yy2b00Aq2WT1B02LT1Zq2ZT0xn2cT2jr2MT2L01Yq2g*03r2i00*02DT2l02i*2oo01t2Mo2qr2OT1002hs25t30T3202N02Nq2mt09o2wo3601qr28t3Dq2Co0yr09v2wq2Q038q1kr3FT37o2Mr1Uo1803MT2T00Aw3Sr1fu2BP0yP09.15P3Z02Ju00P2NP2H00Ay3bo3Zo09y3iT3eo0.u3ep3Zp17u3oT3o03Vu3rP23*1pu3et3qP2HE1EP3g*03w3bt3yE2LP42r3e03tP19*0v*48*0s*4900u*4A*4D04C04F*4B*4H*4E*4I04G*4J*4M04L04O*4K*4Q*4N*4R04P*4S*0sq2L0fM2
Its like the passing thing that uses ant that Alpha made. Except instead of leading all the signals into one place before the ant is released it leads each signal into its own place... so I guess it's kind of like a bunch of railroad switches... except it only works once.
Oh and ignore the thing to the right.
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Post by miczu on Mar 30, 2009 16:58:43 GMT -5
Really nicely done, it could be good for electronic - when you like to start the calculating after choosing the numbers (calculator)
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Post by -M4- on Apr 9, 2009 0:40:05 GMT -5
Here's a memory cell I decided to make a while ago. It has 3 inputs and one output. The inputs are to set, reset, and release the stored memory. The output is simply where the released memory goes. The output is laser, the set and reset inputs are laser, but the release input has to be electric.
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Post by miczu on Apr 9, 2009 8:27:44 GMT -5
m4 it's good prototype of memory, but it isn't relible on long shot (over 3-4 memmory cells will not work very well). Some things that I can point out: - laser loop size is to big - it can hold up to 3 lasers (bad) so when a single laser is in circut it's harder to get it out, in electronic it should be always on after read or always cleared (in your can have 3 lasers and other will left after short read). - thunder sometimes kill the laser - you can fix it by adding single metal dot in right place I want'ed to add more relible clear but if you make smaller loop it should work preaty good.
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Post by -M4- on Apr 9, 2009 15:04:23 GMT -5
Ok I made the loop smaller. The set and reset are the inputs with a pixel of c-4 in them, the release is the long wire extending out to the right side of the cell, and the output is the long tube going up.
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Post by miczu on Apr 9, 2009 16:13:32 GMT -5
Wow great job on making it small (13x10). You could try to make reset beam to cross with loop beam in more then 1 place (like in between 45 degree, 3 dot melat element) - more full pruf reseting (like with only 1 beam).
BTW you used again dangerus way of changing metal mirrow surface (it can kill laser in loop).
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Post by -M4- on Apr 9, 2009 17:36:41 GMT -5
How do I make the metal mirror less dangerous?
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Post by miczu on Apr 10, 2009 3:45:03 GMT -5
The most natural way of making it safe is designing so thunder path that you always get one of basic mirror structures. (example on left)
But as far as i know it's sufficient if only thunder don't go truth the place where laser hit (example on right, my personal favorite).
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Post by -M4- on Apr 11, 2009 1:00:04 GMT -5
Ahh, I love the second one. Here's the new cell:
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Here's a slightly smaller one
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Post by miczu on Apr 11, 2009 3:53:00 GMT -5
Second one on the first sight of laser loop I known it was great :>
Still I could make it even smaller:
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You are not obligated to have only vertical/horizontal laser entry (some structures could output sideways beams and someone would need to make it vertical/horizontal again and then you make it sideways again).
Don't want to disappoint you but the second one isn't safe - main point of the second example was "it's sufficient if only thunder don't go truth the place where laser hit".
And the first one - it has safe read and its still really small (smaller then pure laser memory xD).
By modifying it (well it's hard to tell that i used your memory cell (only right, the safe mirror from me is the same xD)) i made 1 memory cell with 5 versions:
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A & C - only 1 reset place, you can use reset beam again (example: 1 beam to reset multiple memory cells), smallest B - 2 reset places, can't use beam again, unnecessarily big D - 2 reset places, you can use beam again E - 3 reset places, you cant use beam again, biggest
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Post by -M4- on Apr 19, 2009 2:56:54 GMT -5
That's good, I can't make it any smaller than what you've made it.
Here's something new:
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It's a device that has been made before but I don't think it has been made with 2 different input signal types.(laser and electric)
I'm going to use this and hopefully post what I'm doing with it.
EDIT: Just tried to make something with it. It's too big to be considered an advance in tech. Just trash.
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Post by miczu on Apr 19, 2009 4:00:08 GMT -5
m4 it's isn't trash or it isn't to big. But you could try to make it that laser could burn the wood when it bounce from metal ( /\/\/\/\/\/\/\ ). It isn't possible to make more then 2-3 those structures and to be able to input laser in 1 straight line to wood or try to make change the laser mirror that it could move in | -- lines even with metal line isn't straight.
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Post by -M4- on Apr 19, 2009 4:41:14 GMT -5
I would have to space the pixels of wood a bit more away from each other because they're at risk of burning each other.
If I made it to where a laser would burn the wood when it bounces in metal in a zig zag I would have to make even more space.(Vertical space)
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Post by miczu on Apr 19, 2009 4:45:56 GMT -5
Then try to make it without bouncing... I'm 100% shore its possible with 2 dot tube :>
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Post by -M4- on Apr 19, 2009 4:51:23 GMT -5
Yeah it's possible, big though..
But ever since 4 posts up I've ran out of uses for it..
Do you have any ideas on something with many components that can be made?
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Post by miczu on Apr 19, 2009 4:57:36 GMT -5
Well it could be memory that can be written only 1 - you could use it for calculators in numerpad to save with number was chosen (10 lines for 0-9 numbers or binary 0-F 4 lines). For 1 time switch is good. Hmmm... I should think about making tube logic... Don't know how many logic gates are possible it those but it's worth a shot
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Post by -M4- on Apr 21, 2009 22:33:15 GMT -5
I've had the idea of incorporating the memory function in calcs in real life into PG before.
Anything that doesn't have to do with calcs?
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