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Post by Soul Alchemist on Feb 7, 2009 16:06:27 GMT -5
you still haven't answered my question, SM.
what have you done to see whether there is a god or not? have you prayed? have you tried to find the holy ghost in your mind afterward? what have you done?
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Post by Sandmaster on Feb 7, 2009 16:10:46 GMT -5
I looked at the known workings of the universe (and some infinite numbers I threw here and there, making a model that works), and I showed that a God could not exist in an infinite universe.
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Post by GrandEnder on Feb 7, 2009 16:36:13 GMT -5
Why can god not exist in an infinite/finite Universe?
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Post by Sandmaster on Feb 7, 2009 17:07:13 GMT -5
I have the proof somewhere...lemme get it
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Post by wizard on Feb 7, 2009 21:15:10 GMT -5
i beleive what i know, and if a god were to show up, id beleive in him. but there are no gods yet, so till then, atheist here i come!
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Post by Sandmaster on Feb 7, 2009 21:19:00 GMT -5
That's called agnosticism.
If I'd see God and know I haven't taken any hallucinogens lately, I'd probably believe, but you know what? Noone saw God, and noone ever will.
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Post by wizard on Feb 7, 2009 21:28:09 GMT -5
thanks for the name. but, i do still beleive that he probably doesnt exist.
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Post by Sandmaster on Feb 7, 2009 21:38:31 GMT -5
That's called 'leaning agnosticism'
I personally don't like agnosticism as a philosophy (because they don't CARE), but if you lean it makes you have more of a part to play.
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Post by GrandEnder on Feb 7, 2009 21:41:18 GMT -5
Proof?
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Post by wizard on Feb 7, 2009 21:46:51 GMT -5
why did you just say proof?
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Post by Sandmaster on Feb 7, 2009 22:03:28 GMT -5
For God existing or not existing>?
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Post by GrandEnder on Feb 7, 2009 22:08:55 GMT -5
I have the proof somewhere...lemme get it I'm waiting on it..
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Post by Soul Alchemist on Feb 7, 2009 22:46:08 GMT -5
and I also want proof for that.
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still waiting....
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Post by Qwerty333 on Feb 7, 2009 23:08:32 GMT -5
GRRR....I JUST TOOK 40 MIN. WRITING UP A LONG THING TO PROVE YOU WRONG, SANDMASTER....BUT I FELT BAD AND DELETED IT ALL JUST TO SAY THIS: YOU STILL HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT 'LOVE' IS, AND YOU WON'T EVER KNOW FOR SURE WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS A GOD, UNTIL YOU LET GO OF THIS 'ASSURETY' THAT YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU'VE ALWAYS STATED AT SOME POINT THAT THESE ARE YOUR THOUGHTS NOT THINGS YOU KNOW. AND I KNOW THAT I'M BEING SELF-RIGHTEOUS HERE, BUT IF IT'LL GET THROUGH YOUR THICK AND POMPOUS SKULL, SO BE IT. I DO KNOW WHAT LOVE IS. AND I DO KNOW THAT THERE IS A LOVING GOD. I HAVE SPOKEN WITH HIM. I HAVE SEEN HIM IN MY DREAMS. I HAVE GONE TO HIS TEMPLES AND WITNESSED HIM CHANGE LIVES. I HAVE DONE HIS WORK, AND TRIED MY HARDEST UNTIL I LITERALLY SWEAT AND FALL. I HAVE USED HIS POWER TO HEAL, TO BLESS, TO PUT A RELATIONSHIP BACK TOGETHER, AND TO ORDAIN OTHERS INTO USING THIS POWER AS WELL. DON'T YOU TELL ME THERE IS NO GOD. YOU KNOW NOTHING. sigh....... ....now you can take a step back, look through a different perspective, and at least TRY to see things our way BEFORE coming up with a conclusion. OR you can continue to be pompous, and self-righteous. I WANT that to be a flame so that if you ban me, everyone will know the true 'SandMaster' or whoever you are. and if any OTHER mod bans me, then others will also know the corruption that has spread through here. I don't want a warning, I want a ban or a change of thought.and if none of this changes your way of thinking in ANY way, I truly fear for your sanity. And I agree. As you probably know, I don't believe in God. But I have had experience. I was a Christian for 10, almost 11 years. Then, I just decided that since my life was going from bad to worse all the time, that there COULDN'T be a God. And I prayed. I went to church. I did my best. Nothing changed. NOTHING. So, I gave up. That's all I could do.
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Post by GrandEnder on Feb 7, 2009 23:10:26 GMT -5
Think karma.
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Post by General Veers on Feb 7, 2009 23:18:06 GMT -5
Something just occured to me...Pascal's Wager, I do believe it's called.
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Post by GrandEnder on Feb 7, 2009 23:20:32 GMT -5
You could always believe in god, and just not go to church, then you lose nothing and don't lose anything if god does exist.
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Post by wizard on Feb 7, 2009 23:31:44 GMT -5
eh, ive got nothing to worry about me going to hell. i am neither sided, so i go to any good place.
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Post by Qwerty333 on Feb 7, 2009 23:32:38 GMT -5
If so, I'm screwed.
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Post by Soul Alchemist on Feb 7, 2009 23:32:45 GMT -5
except...not caring to do anything towards god isn't believing in him.
and qwerty, something DID change. you came here, you found us. we're all relatively good people. count your blessings. and also, you said you prayed and went to church, but did you 'listen' for the holy ghost's guidance? if not, then praying isn't going to do you much good. it would only be a 1 way conversation with you and god.
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